09-09-2013, 05:34 PM | #136 |
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It depends on what you buy and what the conditions are that attach to the sale. Buying a co-op doesn't give you the right to sell it to someone not approved by the board. If you buy a 30 day bus pass in many areas, you're not allowed to sell, give, or lend it (or at least the people you lend it to can't use it as a bus pass). Buying insurance doesn't mean that you can sell the policy to someone else. And of course buying e-books or software or movies subject to a license means that you are (or may be) limited by the license. You are still *buying* an e-book; you just don't have identical ownership rights to someone who buys a pbook.
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09-09-2013, 06:16 PM | #137 |
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But buying pbooks, CD-ROMs, or DVDs imposes no such limitations--because you have actually purchased a physical object. The only obstacle here is copyright law, because you can't distribute the digital file you "bought" without making a new copy. Current legal interpretations treat those new copies as governed by copyright law and thus subject to the will of the copyright holder. So we have these fabulous new technologies with wonderful possibilities, but we're insisting on artificially making them inferior to the old fashioned technologies they're replacing. Surely we can do better than this.
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09-09-2013, 11:57 PM | #138 | |
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http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/a...r-price-hikes/ As for price, it can be a factor in which books to buy and how many copies. It isn't the only factor but it is one nonetheless. |
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09-10-2013, 06:39 AM | #139 | |
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Libraries are, in essence, buying a license to copy an eBook in a limited manner, and it is being treated as such. We, the consumers, may not like that fact, and we may, as patrons, argue that the price is too high and unfair and cry about it all day. But as publishing becomes digital, there is this transition period in which old ways of thinking have not yet replaced new ones and there are "mistakes" being made. |
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The question is: how do we rebalance those rights? |
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09-10-2013, 10:57 AM | #141 |
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I don't believe the rebalancing of the rights is that difficult or that we need to change that much.
if I buy a work of at from an artist and take a million photographs of it and put them up around my house, am I harming the artist? If I slap a museum sign in front of my house and charge admission I might be harming the artist, but then again, the artist was not going to make money off the original picture anymore having sold it to a private individual. Now if I made some copies and sold them that is probably a violation. Copyright needs to look at the artist's and the buyer's rights. It's not rocket science, but we continually pander to corporations. It's the capitalistic way. |
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09-10-2013, 11:58 AM | #143 |
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Agreed. Which is exactly what efforts like the one in the original post are attempting to change. By making people aware of the inequities and attempting to introduce a new way of thinking.
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As far as I know, copyright law more or less says that you have the right to lend, gift or sell a copyrighted work after you have bought it, but you cannot do that with copies of that work. It seems to me that a license term that limits your rights should be unenforcable. At least in Europe, there have been some cases where courts have determined that reselling a software license is legal, perhaps ebooks are to follow. * I checked about this online and was surprised to find that, in the US at least, it appears you are not allowed to make backup copies of music or films you have legally downloaded: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-digital.html |
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However, the US is not a purely free economy, and the government frequently interferes with the market, which leads to the "pandering" you mention. But this has far more in common with socialist theory than capitalist. (I know, some of you will object to the word socialist. It means, in essence, that either through direct or indirect means, government controls a business. Look no further than the miles of health care regulations prior to Obamacare and ask yourself just how much autonomy the health care corporations had. The consequence of such control is that corporations spend more time and effort begging for special favors from government rather than in actually producing what consumers want. This kind of rent seeking is most certainly anti-capitalist.) When it comes to copyright law, some have stated that it should be abolished. I don't happen to agree. I see the negatives of copyright law, but I also see the positives, and I can't say that current enforcement is all about protecting the producers. It is a system whereby we, the readers, get to choose which authors produce more works, while the authors can be certain that if they do produce good works, they will make enough money to eat from that rather than needing to work another job to support their writing habit. When I see most authors driving Ferraris, living in posh mansions, and having generally too much money to know what to do with, I'll agree that the balance is off. Right now, I don't see many fat cats in the publishing industry. Neither do I see the general public unable to access information because it is too costly. So I do not the see the current system as grossly imbalanced. |
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09-12-2013, 08:54 AM | #149 |
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That's not the point. Please review my response to your post.
Perhaps watch this for enlightenment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0 |
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After I question one of your two sentences, you say, "That's not the point." As though one of your two sentences was to be ignored. And as support for the other, you provide a link to a 2+ hour documentary. But two can play at that game, and I can provide counter-links that could consume vast amounts of your time for you to investigate. Not only in considering the link, but then searching out and examining other sources to provide support or arguments against the original link. That is, if you wanted to be thorough rather than having your ideas spoon-fed into your brain. Fundamentally, though, I'd point out that no matter what device you are using to access this forum, it was manufactured by a corporation. And the data did not arrive at your doorstep without going through routers and servers created by corporations, and the odds are extremely likely that the provider you pay for receiving your data bits also is a corporation. Your breakfast products were almost certainly produced by a corporation, and sold to you at a business that is also incorporated. Your mode of transport was made by a corporation, unless you walk everywhere, in which case it is likely your footwear was. Even your very argument that I need to educate myself using a link requiring me to go to YouTube, a site owned by a corporate entity known as Google. Thus, I think I can state pretty authoritatively that you benefit on a daily basis from the existence of corporations. We can hypothesize a world where corporations did not exist and only companies were permitted, and speculate as to what inventions or products such a system might create, but all such arguments would be based on theory and not practice since we cannot examine a large-scale inventive economy that does not have the legal idea of a corporation undergirding it. |
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