second level headers in Sigil

BeccaPrice · 07-16-2013, 07:41 PM

I want to have a ToC with second level headings:

Book1
chapter 1
chapter 2
chapter 3
Book 2
Book 3

I've compiled the epub using scrivener, and thought I had the chapters set up as second level headers, but they all come out flush left. Is there a way in Sigil to indicate a second level header for the chapters?

(the chapters should be indented under Book 1, but won't indent when I save this - sorry!

mrmikel · 07-16-2013, 07:52 PM

How about defining h2 as indented in css?

DaleDe · 07-16-2013, 07:53 PM

The tags H1, H2, H3 etc. determine the level of the contents. The ePub TOC is in a separate file and is used by the application to display the headings. The display of this data is under control of the viewing application. Many have a clickable arrow to expand on compress the levels for viewing.

It is also possible to display a TOC inside the book itself but this is not the primary method used by ePub. Is there a TOC inside the book that you are worried about? If so you control the look of it with the CSS entries.

Dale

theducks · 07-16-2013, 08:03 PM

Sigils HTML (from the NCX) TOC is indented as well.

You can tweak the Sigil-TOC.CSS for more or less indent

BeccaPrice · 07-16-2013, 08:21 PM

This is an epub compiled with Scrivener. The styles are all .scrivener1, .scrivener2 etc. I suppose I could experiment with them and see which one affects the ToC.

I'm talking about both the linked ToC and the toc.ncx files, although really I only need them indented in the linked ToC.

the code assigned to the item I want indented is

<p class="toc-item"><a href="../Text/body3.xhtml">The Nightmares</a></p>

the <p class...> call is the same for all items in the ToC, no matter what level I want them at.

I'm going to have to edit the HTML in both the contents file and the .css to create a second toc-item for the second-level headers, aren't I? My html skills, never very good, are awfully rusty.

DaleDe · 07-16-2013, 08:28 PM

Simply change the class to a different name and then put that name in your CSS file with a different left margin.

BeccaPrice · 07-16-2013, 08:38 PM

copy/paste and edit and it works wonderfully. Thanks!

Now, is there a way to get the ncx to do that, or do I just live with a flat ToC for the ncx file?

Hitch · 07-16-2013, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

copy/paste and edit and it works wonderfully. Thanks!

Now, is there a way to get the ncx to do that, or do I just live with a flat ToC for the ncx file?

Becca:

You can do this for the NCX via the use of headers, but not through named paragraph classes. Think of it this way: style names are just that--only names. A collection of letters or numbers or symbols that means something to you, but without your direct intervention by providing explicit CSS instructions to the ePUB reader, meaningless to the book.

A header class, however--not a style name for a header, but an actual h1 or h2 declaration--tells the document that this is structural. Had Scrivenver used H1 and H2 classes for your desired in/outdents in the first place, this would be fairly auto-magically done for you. If you are remotely regex-y, you can likely replace all the chapter heads (do NOT FORGET to change the closing p tags to closing header tags!) to h2's for you.

Does that help?

Hitch

theducks · 07-16-2013, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

copy/paste and edit and it works wonderfully. Thanks!

Now, is there a way to get the ncx to do that, or do I just live with a flat ToC for the ncx file?

You can have 6 levels of TOC (if your device does not belly up

) with Sigil

h1 thru h6 for levels (typically I use 2, H2 Top (Main Book level,Part,Forward, Epilogue...). H3 chapters inside a part and rare: a H4)

For Omnibus, I start at H1 (The whole book), H2 for story level, h3 chapter level.

I do NOT use H tags for headlines and other bold usage: I assighn a style

Toxaris · 07-17-2013, 01:24 AM

It is a bad thing that Scrivener does not use headers and perhaps other structural elements. It is one thing that users don't grasp the difference between content and structure, but when programmers make that mistake...
It is not wrong as such, as it does work, but bad practice.

DaleDe · 07-17-2013, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxaris

It is a bad thing that Scrivener does not use headers and perhaps other structural elements. It is one thing that users don't grasp the difference between content and structure, but when programmers make that mistake...
It is not wrong as such, as it does work, but bad practice.

Actually for ePub 3 it is wrong, not just bad practice.

Dale

Toxaris · 07-17-2013, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

Actually for ePub 3 it is wrong, not just bad practice.

Dale

At least something positive in ePUB3...

07-16-2013, 07:41 PM	#1
BeccaPrice Wizard Posts: 2,145 Karma: 11174187 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Sony 350, K3-3G, K4SO, KPW	second level headers in Sigil I want to have a ToC with second level headings: Book1 chapter 1 chapter 2 chapter 3 Book 2 Book 3 I've compiled the epub using scrivener, and thought I had the chapters set up as second level headers, but they all come out flush left. Is there a way in Sigil to indicate a second level header for the chapters? (the chapters should be indented under Book 1, but won't indent when I save this - sorry! Last edited by BeccaPrice; 07-16-2013 at 07:45 PM.

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mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	How about defining h2 as indented in css?

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DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	The tags H1, H2, H3 etc. determine the level of the contents. The ePub TOC is in a separate file and is used by the application to display the headings. The display of this data is under control of the viewing application. Many have a clickable arrow to expand on compress the levels for viewing. It is also possible to display a TOC inside the book itself but this is not the primary method used by ePub. Is there a TOC inside the book that you are worried about? If so you control the look of it with the CSS entries. Dale

07-16-2013, 08:03 PM	#4
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,779 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Sigils HTML (from the NCX) TOC is indented as well. You can tweak the Sigil-TOC.CSS for more or less indent

07-16-2013, 08:21 PM	#5
BeccaPrice Wizard Posts: 2,145 Karma: 11174187 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Sony 350, K3-3G, K4SO, KPW	This is an epub compiled with Scrivener. The styles are all .scrivener1, .scrivener2 etc. I suppose I could experiment with them and see which one affects the ToC. I'm talking about both the linked ToC and the toc.ncx files, although really I only need them indented in the linked ToC. the code assigned to the item I want indented is <p class="toc-item"><a href="../Text/body3.xhtml">The Nightmares</a></p> the <p class...> call is the same for all items in the ToC, no matter what level I want them at. I'm going to have to edit the HTML in both the contents file and the .css to create a second toc-item for the second-level headers, aren't I? My html skills, never very good, are awfully rusty.

07-16-2013, 08:28 PM	#6
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	Simply change the class to a different name and then put that name in your CSS file with a different left margin.

07-16-2013, 08:38 PM	#7
BeccaPrice Wizard Posts: 2,145 Karma: 11174187 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Sony 350, K3-3G, K4SO, KPW	copy/paste and edit and it works wonderfully. Thanks! Now, is there a way to get the ncx to do that, or do I just live with a flat ToC for the ncx file?

07-17-2013, 01:24 AM	#10
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	It is a bad thing that Scrivener does not use headers and perhaps other structural elements. It is one thing that users don't grasp the difference between content and structure, but when programmers make that mistake... It is not wrong as such, as it does work, but bad practice.