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Old 08-08-2010, 11:48 AM   #1
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Amazon allows DRM-free ebook, Apple refuses
Seems that Jobs loves DRM after all...

http://www.teleread.com/2010/08/07/c...sony-hold-out/
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:58 AM   #2
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The title isn't really news. People have pointed out elsewhere that some Amazon ebooks are available as "Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited". If the author is surprised it's because he didn't research it :-p.

From my POV the real news is that it is now possible to buy ebooks by Cory Doctorow without DRM. Previously it was impossible to recompense him for his free online downloads without making publishers think that you are willing to tolerate DRM'd products. (Or that you want to dispose of chunks of wood pulp ;-)).

The article is also a bit disingenous, in that the language implies Amazon had to be "persuaded" to sell the book without DRM. In the absence of any details, I don't really believe that.
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How so?
The griping about Apple?

Amazon has alowed DRM free ebooks for quite a while. Their submission processes were misaligned and you had to jump through hoops but they eventually cleared it up. Since late last year, if I remember correctly.
Big flap at Teleread over it, actually.
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The title isn't really news. People have pointed out elsewhere that some Amazon ebooks are available as "Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited". If the author is surprised it's because he didn't research it :-p.
This does not mean it is DRM free.
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This does not mean it is DRM free.
I agree that it does not in principle have to mean DRM-free, but in practice all the "Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited" Kindle books I have downloaded have been DRM-free MOBIs. Do you have a counter example?

The DRM-free option has always been available for the Kindle, but not every publisher or author has been able to take advantage of it (because some supply channels required DRM). This might still be the case, but it does seem easier now to get DRM-free onto the Kindle.
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I agree that it does not in principle have to mean DRM-free, but in practice all the "Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited" Kindle books I have downloaded have been DRM-free MOBIs. Do you have a counter example?
No. I might have misremembered the other thread discussing this. I thought the common thing was to have DRM but no limit on the number of devices when it was marked this way.

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The DRM-free option has always been available for the Kindle, but not every publisher or author has been able to take advantage of it (because some supply channels required DRM). This might still be the case, but it does seem easier now to get DRM-free onto the Kindle.
Yes, that is how I remember it also.
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Not sure why he is confused about Audible working differently from Amazon, one is a subscription service so it isn't surprising that they don't work exactly the same.
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Not sure why he is confused about Audible working differently from Amazon, one is a subscription service so it isn't surprising that they don't work exactly the same.
In what way is this relevant for the question if they allow DRM free work or not?
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Not sure why he is confused about Audible working differently from Amazon, one is a subscription service so it isn't surprising that they don't work exactly the same.
You don't have to subscribe to Audible to get stuff from them. You can just buy things individually.
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In what way is this relevant for the question if they allow DRM free work or not?
Their revenue streams are not the same so why would anyone expect their processes to be identical.
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The article was news for me. I knew that Amazon allowed DRM-free in some cases, but what I did NOT know that Apple was opposed to DRM-free ebooks. I distinctly remember Jobs talking about how bad DRM for music was in the past. Enlighten me if I'm wrong, can you publish drm-free ebooks to the ibook store. I have no way of knowing, I currently can't get past the guards at the walled garden.
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If you read the comments on the linked article there does seem to be a way to do it.
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