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06-11-2013, 11:41 AM | #32 | |
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In some cases, there is an electronic version, but in rights disputes, the author may not have the copyedited version (electronic copy) so it may be nearly the final, but not the final. |
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06-11-2013, 11:48 AM | #33 |
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Some of the backlist books published by "Gateway SF" have been pretty dire in terms of OCR errors, poor formatting, words run together, etc, although in fairness to them their more recent releases have been a lot better.
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06-11-2013, 12:37 PM | #34 | |
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Backlist stuff is tricky. I'd probably be upset if every backlist title I bought was subpar too, but at the same time... I'm willing to accept the fact that "reruns" just aren't going to get "New Book" treatment (resources, time, attention, money). Nature of the beast. The only hope the backlist really has--in terms of increasing quality--is if the technology gets a lot better, and/or some sort of crowd-sourced proofing system gets adopted. Cheap/perfect isn't going to happen, and expensive/perfect (but old) isn't going to sell. |
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Agreed. I'd rather have a sub-par backlist ebook than no ebook at all, but personally I'd be happy to pay a little more to have the publisher properly proof the book.
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06-11-2013, 01:07 PM | #36 |
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I've found that if you read enough marginally OCR'd books, your brain will start to automatically translate them
But I have read many better than acceptable backlist books, Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe, seem pretty darn good, as are the Hard Case crime I think that many publishers are making the effort to improve back list books as many are not stocked by bookstores any more so it is extra revenue. (I should say older books instead of backlist, as backlist is by definition still carried in stores) Three years ago even library ebooks could be pretty ugly, they seem to me much better now regardless of when they were written. Helen |
06-11-2013, 01:18 PM | #37 |
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I think it's less a question of would you pay extra for an (essentially) error-free copy and more would you pay a premium for a publisher's works that you knew were a good, well-edited product? In other words, how much value do you place on that factor?
Admittedly, I find few errors in the books I buy, a professionally published ebook should be free of most obvious errors, and it's tough to single out the well-edited factor in isolation from other purchasing factors (author, genre, title, etc.) So look it like this: You could get most PD works for free. Say, Tale of Two Cities, for example. What would you pay for a not-free copy of that to a publisher you knew did a good clean edit on that and (maybe) threw in some explanatory notes and other material? If I'm willing to pay a few dollars for that, does it not then make sense that for a non-PD backlist title I might be willing to pay slightly more for a publisher to do a better copyediting job on it? Wanting older books super cheap (and, yes, I consider anything less than $5 "super cheap") is fine, but it means that publishers have to look at the economies of doing so. That often means poor OCR and outsourced copyediting that is (sometimes) of lower quality. But if it means paying $7.99 - $9.99 for a back list title that is well edited, I don't have many problems with that. I question backlist titles that are $12.99 or more (I'm looking at you, Dune), but that seems more like a greedy publisher taking advantage of fans. |
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I would not pay extra. eBooks should be error-free to begin with.
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06-11-2013, 01:48 PM | #39 |
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If these are backlist eBooks, there is no source other then maybe a PDF file or just a printed copy. So all that can be done is PDF > ePub or scan/OCR. And they don't bother to check their work.
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06-11-2013, 01:54 PM | #40 |
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No way would I pay more. That would be a new gimmick for the publishers to get more money: "Let's post this rubbish eBook for cheap...then a perfect (or near perfect) eBook we can charge twice as much for!"
Most of the eBooks I have read look pretty good. No more errors than a printed book. I have had printed books missing the chapter heading, have duplicate chapter numbers, and one that repeated 3 chapters and was missing 3 chapters (Publisher replaced it for me!). The main problem I have with some eBooks is the publisher setting a font size which I cannot increase on my reader. |
06-11-2013, 04:46 PM | #41 |
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I'm not sure. I don't know about errors in a book until I read it. If I get a book from Project Gutenberg, I don't know how many errors it contains. Assuming there was a guaranteed error-free book available, it is hard to know in advance just how many errors there will be in the free version, and without knowing that, it is hard to calculate.
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06-11-2013, 05:44 PM | #42 | |
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I own a jewelry store and am a bench jeweler. That would be the same as me offering to size your ring and doing a crappy job, or offering to do it correctly for a higher price. To me that is price gouging your customers. Apache Last edited by Apache; 06-11-2013 at 05:47 PM. |
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06-12-2013, 05:14 AM | #43 | |
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I have had a complete refund from booksonboard I think it was, when I complained that one book was too full of errors. Just like you'd take a pbook back to a shop for a refund if some pages were blank printed (does happen). |
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06-13-2013, 10:15 AM | #44 |
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That's my thinking as well. A publisher is supposed to ensure that books they publish are as error free as possible, so why should I have to pay extra for them to do just that? The media may be different (ebook as opposed to paper) but the product they are selling is the same so they should do the best that they can when doing their jobs.
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06-13-2013, 12:20 PM | #45 |
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If you have Acrobat Pro (and most publishers should have it) you can save a pdf as an RTF document, and then do your editing in that rather than going directly from PDF to EPub.
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