12-23-2013, 12:32 PM | #46 |
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If portable electronics actually posed a risk, they would be confiscated and placed inside checked baggage. To not do so, would be irresponsible.
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12-23-2013, 01:03 PM | #47 |
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And there would be a check to make sure that they were turned off. There was the one time that I had my cell phone in my purse and forgot to turn it off. It was a complete accident and the battery was dead when we landed which was a pain in the wazoo.
Or the fact that a Kindle can be put in airplane mode but not turned completly off. Heck, I am not certain you can completly turn off an iPad. If you can, I don't know how to do so. The point is that planes have been flying with eletronics in various states of on for a while, whether intentional or accidental. There was a time when that would have been bad for airplanes but we are most likely past that time. Which is why we have not seen planes falling from the sky in large quantities due to interference since people started flying with laptops and cell phones and iPod's. Nevermind e-readers, tablets, iTouches, Gameboys, and a whole host of small electronics. Most of which probably where in some state of on. |
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12-23-2013, 01:45 PM | #48 |
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Since we are restating things that have already been said:
It wouldn't surprise me if electronics haven't been an issue for the past decade or two. They run at considerably lower power and at considerably higher frequencies these days, which diminishes the potential for interference. But that isn't the point. The point is that a bunch of people with absolutely no understanding of engineering and physics have decided to dismiss the rules. The point is that a bunch of people with absolutely no understanding of emergency procedures on airlines have decided to dismiss the rules. People demonstrate their ignorance in this all of the time. It ranges from passengers not paying attention to instructions in flight, to comments such as your own. (Airplanes don't simply "fall from the skies".) Don't pretend you're smarter than the people who do something for a living. Chances are you aren't. Chances are that you're missing something important. |
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12-23-2013, 02:12 PM | #51 |
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I always turned my Walkman off when told to do so; but thought it rather stupid for the reason I stated. But hey, rules are rules no matter how ridiculous.
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12-23-2013, 02:15 PM | #52 |
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That's the whole point. It doesn't matter what we think of the rule; it is (in the US at least) a criminal offence not to obey the instructions of a member of the cabin staff. Their word is quite literally the law.
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12-23-2013, 03:26 PM | #53 |
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My personal take on the matter is, since it is not actually possible to turn off a Kindle, it makes no difference whether I read it or not.
They are welcome to ban Kindles and I will totally obey the rules, but why punish me for a non-existent rule? i.e. the rule is kindles should be off, and I comply with that as much is physically possible, which is to say not at all, and the fact that I am reading on it should not be considered a violation of that rule. |
12-23-2013, 03:39 PM | #54 |
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Last week on a BA flight I was asked to switch of my ereader. While the guy next to me was allowed to keep on playing with his smartwatch, Where's the rationale?
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12-25-2013, 12:54 PM | #56 |
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I flew United across country, and they were very explicit that SMALL devices were allowed. I had big headphones on, and was watching a movie (actually 3) during takeoff and landing.
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12-25-2013, 04:32 PM | #57 | |
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I also suspect that the regulations were just plane dated. While it is still possible to find examples of RF interference, it seems to be much less common these days. (Well, outside of bands that have many shared users.) I don't know whether it is due to the low power and high frequencies used by modern devices, as I suggested earlier, or if the electronics are much better designed and more stable. But planes falling out of the sky was never really an issue. The reliability of aviation communications (and perhaps instrumentation) was an issue. Electronics don't have a direct impact upon aerodynamics after all, just the data available to pilots. |
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12-26-2013, 06:43 AM | #59 |
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FWIW, Kindles *can* be turned off.
(At least up to the KT generation of eink and the 2012 FIREs.) You press and hold the power button for something like a minute and they totally shut down. When next you turn them on they do a full boot that takes a couple minutes. The procedure works even (especially) when the system is locked/crashed. Every small electronic device I've ever seen has a full-off/fresh boot process. Sometimes it's obscure, often it is a pain to engage, but I've yet to see one that doesn't have it. |
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No different from the usual 20-second procedure, except that it seems you could theoretically keep it off for as long as you continue holding down the power button. But that's not happening. |
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