03-22-2012, 06:17 PM | #61 |
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The policy basically says that if a device isn't tested/approved then it is not allowed by default. I don't think they specifically banned cellphones. All devices start out on the ban list. The issue is that nobody has been interested in spending the time/money to take cellphones off of the ban list.
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03-22-2012, 06:21 PM | #62 |
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The point is... if it were dangerous, it would be enforced. But it's not, so it isn't. Until they start holding up departures while they sweep luggage, carry-on and passengers for any and all electronic devices that haven't been turned off, I'm going to assume it's bullshit. Because any safety measure that relies on mass voluntary compliance has already failed anyway.
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03-22-2012, 06:28 PM | #63 | |
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The airlines sometimes walk a fine line between not driving their customers away and not getting penalized by the FAA. At the end of the day, the only thing that the airline cares about is revenue. They don't want to get fined, but they also don't want to hurt ticket sales. The FAA on the other hand doesn't care whether or not the airlines are making money, they care about safety/liability. |
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03-22-2012, 06:36 PM | #64 |
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The people who set the policy and the people who enforce the policy are two completely different groups with very different agendas (government agency vs commercial business). That's why it's not consistent.
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03-22-2012, 06:46 PM | #65 |
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The FAA has a dual role, regulating air travel and promoting air travel. Some critics of the FAA argue that the roles conflict, i.e. the FAA will not levy fines large enough to significantly impact an airline's bottom line no matter how egregious the airline's behavior.
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"Please place all electronic devices in the over-head faraday cage." "I'm sorry sir, but our sensors indicate that you still have an electronic device on your person. The flight cannot leave until you place it in the over-head faraday cage. Someone will assist you." Last edited by DiapDealer; 03-22-2012 at 06:51 PM. |
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03-22-2012, 07:03 PM | #67 | |
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If Apple today wanted to spend the money in order to get all of their iPod/iPad/iPhone devices tested and approved, then they would be allowed. There's nothing stopping them from doing this other than the fact that it makes no business sense to do so. In the absence of said testing, the default is that they're not approved. I doubt anybody thinks it's a serious risk, they're just saying that they don't know for sure. Yes, I'm sure if there were 100% proof that the devices were dangerous the ban would be enforced a lot more seriously. That's not the way it works though. The policy is: Unknown = not allowed Tested = allowed Right now, all of these devices fall into "Unknown". It's as simple as that. |
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If there's any question of safety at all... the devices shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an aircraft. Period. |
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03-23-2012, 06:09 PM | #69 |
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I've given this some thought and while I don't think that modern phones would interfere with the electronics of the airplane (at least one call is made on every flight and nothing happens), it might not be a good idea to allow them to be used during the flight. I've heard people talking on the phone on trains, and I don't want to hear it during flights as well.
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03-24-2012, 09:49 AM | #71 |
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Is it or is it not a cumulative effect? That is, three or four electronic devices, spread out across the plane, don't have any effect but if EVERYONE on the plane had their electronics on, it might mess things up?
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03-24-2012, 08:25 PM | #72 |
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They made many, many tests. There was no measurable interference even when every seat was occupied and every single person was running and using a device, including cell phones. It is clearly a matter of going against the public perception of danger they have created over the years and of bureaucratic inertia. Nobody wants to be the first to make a move. And nobody is pushing hard for it. So it is us frequent travellers who lose out.
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03-24-2012, 08:56 PM | #73 |
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I was flying only a few weeks ago (in Australia) and all I had to do was turn off the wi-fi on my IRiver HD and put my phone into "airplane mode". No-one checked my ereader to make sure I had done this and I read it during take off and landing. As Virgin airlines has individual TVs with Foxtel satellite service I could hardly complain of lack of in-flight entertainment, but I find reading very relaxing.
I did hear some talk of making it much easier to get wi-fi coverage on flights so there will no doubt be a work-around for the interference problem |
03-24-2012, 11:23 PM | #74 |
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Cellphones send a pretty weak signal compared to some of the equipment we have used on board aircraft in the military, but I guess it might be possible that something would be interfered with by a particular cellphone, on a particular day.
I am sure the electronic guys have checked it out. I hope so. Still there is always the chance that some fool oscillator tries to be an amplifier and some fool amplifier tries to be an oscillator, all at the wrong time. We used to say, "well you buys your ticket and you takes your chances." They might say, "we didn't buy a ticket." We say "then you go no right to expect anything." |
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Then the solution is a simple one: install the electronics away from people. For example RF emitting devices shouldn't come within 20 cm of a pacemaker.
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