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It is only in writing for standalone books that writers find themselves barred from the chance at profit--a particular damnation of this art form we covet--but some continue to write. Others walk away from writing, to take up other more profitable vocations (and are often considered by others as being "less of a writer," "not a real writer," etc, to their chagrin). The rest self-publish on sites like Amazon. And I often wonder how many writers out there didn't bother to write, until the internet gave them an easy way to get their books out and make money... I think that would be a telling statistic. I'd say those writers are "in it for the money," and judging by the number of authors in the Kindle Store, there are a lot of them. (Self-disclosure: I was writing for 10 years before I started publishing and selling ebooks through my own site, years before Amazon opened the Kindle Store.) And I suspect that most of those self-publishers hope/believe/expect that someday, their books will start making them dividends that will rival or surpass their "day jobs" and allow them to declare themselves "successful authors," despite the modest proclamations that they'll make to their friends and family. So yeah, maybe I'm a bit over-sensitive to the subject of writing for money than I ought to be; but unlike the suggestions above, I don't believe I'm in a minority in thinking the way I do... that if my work is good, I should be able to earn a profit from it, however large or small, or it's not worth doing. Rather, I'd suggest that the thinking of many members of this forum represent a minority, and that the locally prevailing opinions do not necessarily represent those of the real majority, out there. Anyway, that's my opinion, and I understand those who don't share it. I just want to make sure my opinion is seriously noted, and not dismissed as the ravings of a quack. </raving> |
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Self-disclosure: I was too, through Lulu. Before that was some other POD company that I do not recall the name of, but I did photo coffee books through them. Before that I did poetry through small local only print runs. I tired nonfiction, magazines, comics, collections, and so on. I currently have a nonfiction blog that I post lessons on that has about 25 visitors a day. No ad's - 100% free. I do not even mention my books on it (at least I don't think I do). I post a new 1000ish word lesson each week. Because it is fun, and people enjoy it. My newest venture in to EBook Sci Fi/Fantasy novels seem to be my nitch. Unlike all my other adventures; I am actually making a profit with ebooks. A profit is a good thing. For you personally, I would say keep at it. Persistence and patience seem to be key. I have been at it some place around 8-10 years.. and only starting now to see any return BUT I have been having fun the whole time. To me that counts. |
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Yes, that's a serious question. I saw what you said about it being all about sharing ideas with others, but surely there can be other reasons for someone to write a piece of fiction than sharing ideas? If you want debates and discussions, there are internet forums for that |
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07-06-2012, 11:38 PM | #79 | |
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I bolded what should be the key part of your post. You've made some money (however small the amount) from your work haven't you? So your expectation holds true and you should be satisfied. I don't believe you are wrong in hoping to make more money for your efforts, and I don't think you are necessarily in a minority in expecting that you should be able to earn more money for your efforts. Where I believe you are mistaken is in believing that such income will happen just because you've written the book and put in the hard years. Artistic endeavour doesn't seem to work like that. Why do I believe that "most writers" (as qualified above) earn very little? Well, here are some examples. Here is a link to a 2005 article by Ian Irvine about traditional publishing (almost no mention of ebooks). Warning: very depressing. For ebooks we have this post on this forum: "DIY Authors [...] half made less than $500." If you have contrary examples showing that most writers earn some reasonable amount of money then please share it, I'm sure many here would like to see such encouraging figures. |
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At the risk of sounding like a greedy capitalist (I know, too late), "however large or small" is relative to the individual; and in my case, the amount is too small to be useful or fulfilling. The amount I seek from ebook sales isn't "large" for many people (I'm not expecting to pay off my house or get through a year of college tuition), but it is financially significant (will pay some small bills, buy a nice dinner or two, etc... ie, $3-600 a month). My present monthly income would not pay for a night out at a movie. So we're clear: I'd like to see $3-600 a month coming in from ebook sales (of a dozen books), which BTW doesn't come close to equaling the time and effort spent in creating those books IMO; and presently I'm seeing less than $10 a month. Quote:
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All of that said, $/hour is so low it can not be calculated. I will make more in 5 hours of programing this month, then YTD in ebooks. Which is why I have to write for the fun of it, because in my mind the money is not there. 1 hour consulting time is greater then 1 month revenue from my books. So its all perspective I think. |
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Marketing is a problem. I do many of those things too (Facebook, Twitter, website, newsletters, mentions on forums), but only to the extent that I don't feel like a saleswhore doing it... and many sites make it clear that any mention of any product at all, or popping up just to promote and run, instantly labels you a saleswhore. I don't have the cash to pay for traditional advertising. I have no friends interested in reading my books (they don't read SF, or they just assume that I can't write because they know me), so I can't solicit reviews; nor do I have access to those who have bought through the many sales channels I use, so I can't ask them for reviews, and most of them just don't bother.
With so little feedback, I can't even identify a problem with my books or my promotional efforts that could be fixed, so I'm completely in the dark. |
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Time may see you gain more success, particularly if you keep producing new books, you shouldn't stop trying - not, at least, if you have other reasons for writing besides money - but it's never going to be a certainty. Writing fiction is never going to be a "I've done this so now I get that" sort of job (which is pretty much the point I've been trying to get across all along). |
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Maybe people stopped buying them because they already have them. Sounds more like a reason to write something else than to give in.
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Just checkin'.
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