iLiad Java on the iLiad

Gavrahil · 07-18-2006, 08:05 PM

This question might sound silly to all you linux-gurus, but I have been wondering since the first appearence of the iLiad if it would be possible run a Java VM on it.

I think the question is not unreasonable (at least not much I hope), since JavaME runs on almost every new cellphone, which have a lot less horsepwers than our most beloved friend the iLiad.

So, what do you think?

LittleTalker · 07-19-2006, 03:37 AM

Id like to know that too. I think it should be able to run even the full Java VM, not just the ME version. There are lots of java libraries and apps that could be used on the iLiad.

arivero · 07-19-2006, 09:20 AM

Sun's Java is not opensource.

Gavrahil · 07-19-2006, 01:12 PM

You can download the Java Source directly from their site. It's just a matter of license, isn't it?

arivero · 07-19-2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavrahil

You can download the Java Source directly from their site. It's just a matter of license, isn't it?

It is a matter of the CEO having control or not. They anounced the opening this year, I havent seen it yet. Or I missed the release. Do you have a link?

arivero · 07-19-2006, 01:56 PM

Ah Ok I see

http://java.sun.com/j2se/jrl_download.html

but

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/syste...gurations.html

does not list ARM.

Gavrahil · 07-19-2006, 04:01 PM

ARM??? Is that the processor or the OS?

I just see linux listed in there with an intel architechture and the iLiad has a 400MHz INTEL X-Scale Processor.

Sorry I am not really savy in those thigs yet.

LittleTalker · 07-19-2006, 04:24 PM

I looked around the java site. It mentions ARM as a Licensee. So I guess you can use only J2ME.
http://java.sun.com/javame/licensees/arm.html

R2D2 · 07-19-2006, 04:29 PM

You can use Personal Java (essentially Java 1.1) on the Zaurus. It's licensed from a company called Jeode and works pretty good.

Gavrahil · 07-19-2006, 05:38 PM

Sorry, but that's all chinese to me. Do you mean that you could actually use java on the iLiad or not?

R2D2 · 07-19-2006, 05:53 PM

Let's say that means: If Irex would like to use Java on the iLiad they could license the Java Virtual Machine from Jeode. But actually I do not know what you would use it for. I only used it for some small home made applications which I wanted to run on PDA and desktop. But that's rather special...

LittleTalker · 07-19-2006, 06:37 PM

It means you can use java micro edition, which is a version of java trimmed down to run on portable devices that don't have the full capabilities of a desktop computer. Many cellphones use it, as well as PDAs and the like.
I don't know exactly what's missing with respect with the full version. The windowing system (called SWING) is removed for instance.
So in short, with a proper runtime (which is not included with the iLiad, and don't ask me about how to get one), you could run some java programs but not all of them, certainly not windowed apps.

cervezas · 07-20-2006, 01:22 AM

SuperWaba would be a good choice for the Iliad, I think. Java language. Open source. More powerful than J2ME. Already has a Linux port. www.superwaba.com

R2D2 · 07-20-2006, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleTalker

It means you can use java micro edition

Not micro edition used on phone but personal edition. The personal edition is essentially Java 1.1 without Swing. But AWT window applications are no problem at all.

Take a look at here:
http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=79

LittleTalker · 07-20-2006, 03:28 AM

It's a whole unknown world to me

I'm a J2EE guy

07-18-2006, 08:05 PM	#1
Gavrahil Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Sony Librié	Java on the iLiad This question might sound silly to all you linux-gurus, but I have been wondering since the first appearence of the iLiad if it would be possible run a Java VM on it. I think the question is not unreasonable (at least not much I hope), since JavaME runs on almost every new cellphone, which have a lot less horsepwers than our most beloved friend the iLiad. So, what do you think?

07-19-2006, 04:29 PM	#9
R2D2 Mad Scientist Posts: 294 Karma: 242 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Device: Zaurus, HTCMagician, iLiad	You can use Personal Java (essentially Java 1.1) on the Zaurus. It's licensed from a company called Jeode and works pretty good. Last edited by R2D2; 07-19-2006 at 05:51 PM.

07-20-2006, 01:22 AM	#13
cervezas palm & java hacker Posts: 52 Karma: 251 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Manitou Springs, CO Device: Visor, T3, i500, iQue ...	SuperWaba SuperWaba would be a good choice for the Iliad, I think. Java language. Open source. More powerful than J2ME. Already has a Linux port. www.superwaba.com

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07-19-2006, 03:37 AM	#2
LittleTalker Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006	Id like to know that too. I think it should be able to run even the full Java VM, not just the ME version. There are lots of java libraries and apps that could be used on the iLiad.

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arivero Guru Posts: 607 Karma: 2157 Join Date: Oct 2005 Device: NCR3125, Nokia 770,...	Sun's Java is not opensource.

07-19-2006, 01:12 PM	#4
Gavrahil Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Sony Librié	You can download the Java Source directly from their site. It's just a matter of license, isn't it?

07-19-2006, 01:56 PM	#6
arivero Guru Posts: 607 Karma: 2157 Join Date: Oct 2005 Device: NCR3125, Nokia 770,...	Ah Ok I see http://java.sun.com/j2se/jrl_download.html but http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/syste...gurations.html does not list ARM.

07-19-2006, 04:01 PM	#7
Gavrahil Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Sony Librié	ARM??? Is that the processor or the OS? I just see linux listed in there with an intel architechture and the iLiad has a 400MHz INTEL X-Scale Processor. Sorry I am not really savy in those thigs yet.

07-19-2006, 04:24 PM	#8
LittleTalker Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006	I looked around the java site. It mentions ARM as a Licensee. So I guess you can use only J2ME. http://java.sun.com/javame/licensees/arm.html

07-19-2006, 05:38 PM	#10
Gavrahil Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Device: Sony Librié	Sorry, but that's all chinese to me. Do you mean that you could actually use java on the iLiad or not?

07-19-2006, 05:53 PM	#11
R2D2 Mad Scientist Posts: 294 Karma: 242 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Device: Zaurus, HTCMagician, iLiad	Let's say that means: If Irex would like to use Java on the iLiad they could license the Java Virtual Machine from Jeode. But actually I do not know what you would use it for. I only used it for some small home made applications which I wanted to run on PDA and desktop. But that's rather special...

07-19-2006, 06:37 PM	#12
LittleTalker Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006	It means you can use java micro edition, which is a version of java trimmed down to run on portable devices that don't have the full capabilities of a desktop computer. Many cellphones use it, as well as PDAs and the like. I don't know exactly what's missing with respect with the full version. The windowing system (called SWING) is removed for instance. So in short, with a proper runtime (which is not included with the iLiad, and don't ask me about how to get one), you could run some java programs but not all of them, certainly not windowed apps.

07-20-2006, 03:28 AM	#15
LittleTalker Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 10 Join Date: May 2006	It's a whole unknown world to me I'm a J2EE guy

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