FYI, CC needed at B&N, not at Amazon!!!

LeeResident · 12-04-2010, 10:11 AM

I hope this helps someone decide which reader to buy,,

My wife was able to open an account at Amazon w/o a CC, and downloaded free books to her Kindle. (it has 3g if that makes any difference)

I went to B&N, it wants CC before free downloads to my Nook,,

If I had known this,, I would not have purchased the Nook. (I wanted the Epub/PDF reader function.)

desertgrandma · 12-04-2010, 10:37 AM

Welcome to MobileRead, LeeResident.

Can you return the nook?

I think you'll be very pleased with your Kindle.....and its easy to get it to recognize epub.

Download Calibre and the plugins, and you're good.

However, I don't think any of the smaller ebook readers read pdf's very well.

Enjoy.

rcuadro · 12-04-2010, 10:48 AM

It is not as big a deal as you are making it out to be. It has to do with how the DRM is done. Amazon uses the device serial number to generate what is called a PID and uses that to encrypt the book... B&N uses your name and cc number to do the same and it latches it to you and adobe digital editions vice the device.

Same crap different methods...

LeeResident · 12-04-2010, 11:17 AM

Will the kindle allow me to visit the B&N site,, this NOOK will not let me visit Amazon.com!!
PS,, I don't have a C.C. I fired them,, I use cash,checks, paypal. I'm now shopping for a Kindle.

abookreader · 12-04-2010, 01:23 PM

Well - I believe that you still have to have a credit card at Amazon to pre-order a book, even a free book or a book where you have plenty of gift card balance to cover the cost ... but you can use gift cards to actually pay for the book, you just have to have a cc on file.

Unless that has changed? I guess I haven't tried it in awhile but I know it used to be that way.

HarryT · 12-04-2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeResident

I went to B&N, it wants CC before free downloads to my Nook,,

That's because B&N's DRM mechanism uses your credit card number as the encryption key for the book.

wallcraft · 12-04-2010, 02:52 PM

As others have said, B&N uses the CC# in their DRM. However, most ebook stores require a CC# on file because they use this in their geographic restrictions enforcement. What Amazon does instead is snoop on which country you appear to be buying ebooks from (i.e. where the purchasing computer or Kindle is located). Some other stores do this too, but Amazon uses it as its main approach to conform to the geographic restrictions imposed by publishers.

EDIT: A recent post to his blog by Mike Cane indicates that he can buy Adobe ePubs at Sony’s Reader Store, the Kobo Books store, and Borders without a CC. These would all work on your Nook. He also indicates that he has an account at Amazon without a CC, so it may be possible to buy Kindle gift ebooks and redeem them yourself without a 1-click CC registration.

desertgrandma · 12-04-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeResident

Will the kindle allow me to visit the B&N site,, this NOOK will not let me visit Amazon.com!!
PS,, I don't have a C.C. I fired them,, I use cash,checks, paypal. I'm now shopping for a Kindle.

No.

Kindles will only allow you to visit the kindle store.

However, you can buy nook books and convert them to .mobi by using Calibre and plugins.

wallcraft · 12-04-2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeResident

Will the kindle allow me to visit the B&N site,, this NOOK will not let me visit Amazon.com!!
PS,, I don't have a C.C. I fired them,, I use cash,checks, paypal. I'm now shopping for a Kindle.

Both Amazon and B&N lock their reading devices to their own store, to some extent, for books with DRM (encryption). The Nook allows ebooks from all stores that use Adobe DRM, in addition to its own CC# DRM. It also reads Adobe lending library ebooks. The Kindle is entirely locked to Amazon (which has the largest single store selection though).

You need a 1-click billing address to buy ebooks from Amazon, and so far as I can tell this requires a CC#.

Note that a debit card from your bank would likely work (at all ebook stores). There are also prepaid debit cards that probably work.

bearymore · 12-04-2010, 03:32 PM

You only need a credit card if you want to register the Nook which allows you to buy from Barnes and Noble directly on the Nook. You can load e-books from free sites like Gutenberg, library books, and books you buy from other sites without registering the Nook. Anywhere you can get an epub book without a credit card, such as Borders.com where you can use PayPal I believe, you can obtain books which you can load and read on your Nook. You just cannot buy directly from the device without a B&N account.

desertgrandma · 12-04-2010, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearymore

You only need a credit card if you want to register the Nook which allows you to buy from Barnes and Noble directly on the Nook. You can load e-books from free sites like Gutenberg, library books, and books you buy from other sites without registering the Nook. Anywhere you can get an epub book without a credit card, such as Borders.com where you can use PayPal I believe, you can obtain books which you can load and read on your Nook. You just cannot buy directly from the device without a B&N account.

I may have missed something here, but when i went to download the "nook4pc" it would not allow me to do so without entering a CC....

Sunlite · 12-04-2010, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallcraft

You need a 1-click billing address to buy ebooks from Amazon, and so far as I can tell this requires a CC#.

I buy ebooks for Kindle4PC on a account that was never connected to a credit or debit card. A gift card that covers the price of the book(s) is enough.

It can get a bit problematic, because of the tax added to the books for some buyers. It can get quite hard to guess/calculate the actual amount needed to pay for the books you want.

wallcraft · 12-04-2010, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunlite

It can get quite hard to guess/calculate the actual amount needed to pay for the books you want.

Have you tried the new Kindle ebook gifting? I was able to buy a gift ebook, email it to myself and redeem it, but I have a CC on my account.

MV64 · 12-04-2010, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeResident

I hope this helps someone decide which reader to buy,,

My wife was able to open an account at Amazon w/o a CC, and downloaded free books to her Kindle. (it has 3g if that makes any difference)

I went to B&N, it wants CC before free downloads to my Nook,,

If I had known this,, I would not have purchased the Nook. (I wanted the Epub/PDF reader function.)

Seriously? People get hung up on the weirdest details. Let's go buy the device with fewer books and more restrictions just because I don't want my credit card on a protected, secure site?

Lemurion · 12-05-2010, 11:19 AM

I don't know if it works for B&N, but it does for Amazon. Since I didn't want to give Amazon my CCard information when I originally set up the account (but still wanted pre-orders) I used a Verizon rebate gift card with $0.15 left on it on my Amazon account.

As far as I know, any registered gift card (one that you've connected to a physical address) can be used with Amazon, and I would expect B&N to be the same. So if any relative ever sent you a Mall giftcard (like a Simon one) you can probably use that. You'd just have to call or go online and put your name and address on it.

12-04-2010, 10:11 AM	#1
LeeResident Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: nook	FYI, CC needed at B&N, not at Amazon!!! I hope this helps someone decide which reader to buy,, My wife was able to open an account at Amazon w/o a CC, and downloaded free books to her Kindle. (it has 3g if that makes any difference) I went to B&N, it wants CC before free downloads to my Nook,, If I had known this,, I would not have purchased the Nook. (I wanted the Epub/PDF reader function.)

12-04-2010, 02:52 PM	#7
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	As others have said, B&N uses the CC# in their DRM. However, most ebook stores require a CC# on file because they use this in their geographic restrictions enforcement. What Amazon does instead is snoop on which country you appear to be buying ebooks from (i.e. where the purchasing computer or Kindle is located). Some other stores do this too, but Amazon uses it as its main approach to conform to the geographic restrictions imposed by publishers. EDIT: A recent post to his blog by Mike Cane indicates that he can buy Adobe ePubs at Sony’s Reader Store, the Kobo Books store, and Borders without a CC. These would all work on your Nook. He also indicates that he has an account at Amazon without a CC, so it may be possible to buy Kindle gift ebooks and redeem them yourself without a 1-click CC registration. Last edited by wallcraft; 12-04-2010 at 03:44 PM.

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12-04-2010, 10:37 AM	#2
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462841 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	Welcome to MobileRead, LeeResident. Can you return the nook? I think you'll be very pleased with your Kindle.....and its easy to get it to recognize epub. Download Calibre and the plugins, and you're good. However, I don't think any of the smaller ebook readers read pdf's very well. Enjoy.

12-04-2010, 10:48 AM	#3
rcuadro Wizard Posts: 1,686 Karma: 874275 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Device: Kindle DX	It is not as big a deal as you are making it out to be. It has to do with how the DRM is done. Amazon uses the device serial number to generate what is called a PID and uses that to encrypt the book... B&N uses your name and cc number to do the same and it latches it to you and adobe digital editions vice the device. Same crap different methods...

12-04-2010, 11:17 AM	#4
LeeResident Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: nook	Will the kindle allow me to visit the B&N site,, this NOOK will not let me visit Amazon.com!! PS,, I don't have a C.C. I fired them,, I use cash,checks, paypal. I'm now shopping for a Kindle.

12-04-2010, 01:23 PM	#5
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	Well - I believe that you still have to have a credit card at Amazon to pre-order a book, even a free book or a book where you have plenty of gift card balance to cover the cost ... but you can use gift cards to actually pay for the book, you just have to have a cc on file. Unless that has changed? I guess I haven't tried it in awhile but I know it used to be that way.

12-04-2010, 03:32 PM	#10
bearymore Zealot Posts: 102 Karma: 39270 Join Date: May 2010 Device: Kobo Aura One	You only need a credit card if you want to register the Nook which allows you to buy from Barnes and Noble directly on the Nook. You can load e-books from free sites like Gutenberg, library books, and books you buy from other sites without registering the Nook. Anywhere you can get an epub book without a credit card, such as Borders.com where you can use PayPal I believe, you can obtain books which you can load and read on your Nook. You just cannot buy directly from the device without a B&N account.

12-05-2010, 11:19 AM	#15
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I don't know if it works for B&N, but it does for Amazon. Since I didn't want to give Amazon my CCard information when I originally set up the account (but still wanted pre-orders) I used a Verizon rebate gift card with $0.15 left on it on my Amazon account. As far as I know, any registered gift card (one that you've connected to a physical address) can be used with Amazon, and I would expect B&N to be the same. So if any relative ever sent you a Mall giftcard (like a Simon one) you can probably use that. You'd just have to call or go online and put your name and address on it.

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