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Old 10-10-2014, 06:11 PM   #271
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You said "Average Joe" not "conscious user". Two vastly different things.
Not only is Average Joe a conscious user, Average Joe's sentiments are driving the bulk of the growth and/or contraction of the tablet and/or e-reader markets. There are specialist uses of course, but Average Joe drives the market. Of course that counts Josephine too.

The only difference is Average Joe is not being asked for his projections.

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(And still, I don't think the assertion is correct, but "...already knows the future, intuitively." is a sentiment that would require dramatic definition and MUCH exposition in order for me to even understand it.)
Here's my very simple definition: the Average User knows what they like and I bet they could project future sales better than Forrester So could the most vaguely clued-in people in companies who want to offer products in this market.



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Since when? Our decades of flopping about tell a different story.
Not sure what you are specifically referring to in this sentence.


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Probably, but we are a hyper-aware community filled to the brim with enthusiastic enthusiasts, skeptics, true believers, misfits, rebels, fans, and power users.
All of which can and should be used as a basis for future projections and would probably tell us 95% of what a larger sampling of the overall market would. I don't find most opinions here on tablets and e-readers all too different from the wider world. Some prefer full-colour tablets for some uses. Some prefer e-readers. Some prefer both for different things. Some can't justify the spend on 2 devices (though it's probably fair to say the more enthusiast leanings in this forum mean there would be less people from this forum in this category). But on-the-whole, I don't reckon it's much different from a wider sampling.

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A casual sampling of enthusiasts is much different than an enthusiastic sampling of casuals.
Yes, but in this case I doubt we'd be far off from what we wanted to know, and I bet we'd beat Forrester


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Unfortunately, this is a human condition that is in no way exclusive to management.
No, it's not exclusive to management of course. Over-all point: I don't value Forrester's research. With so many news articles like there is often some self-serving Research Firm pulling figures out of its pie-hole. These figures are used as the basis for further discussion in the article. I just don't think we necessarily have to believe them nor accept them as necessarily accurate.
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Old 10-10-2014, 06:35 PM   #272
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You said "Average Joe" not "conscious user". Two vastly different things.
Not only is Average Joe a conscious user, Average Joe's sentiments are driving the bulk of the growth and/or contraction of the tablet and/or e-reader markets. There are specialist uses of course, but Average Joe drives the market. Of course that counts Josephine too.

The only difference is Average Joe is not being asked for his projections.

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Originally Posted by Anthem View Post
(And still, I don't think the assertion is correct, but "...already knows the future, intuitively." is a sentiment that would require dramatic definition and MUCH exposition in order for me to even understand it.)
Here's my very simple definition: the Average User knows what they like and I bet they could project future sales better than Forrester So could the most vaguely clued-in people in companies who want to offer products in this market.



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Since when? Our decades of flopping about tell a different story.
Not sure what you are specifically referring to in this sentence.


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Probably, but we are a hyper-aware community filled to the brim with enthusiastic enthusiasts, skeptics, true believers, misfits, rebels, fans, and power users.
All of which can and should be used as a basis for future projections and would probably tell us 95% of what a larger sampling of the overall market would. I don't find most opinions here on tablets and e-readers all too different from the wider world. Some prefer full-colour tablets for some uses. Some prefer e-readers. Some prefer both for different things. Some can't justify the spend on 2 devices (though it's probably fair to say the more enthusiast leanings in this forum mean there would be less people from this forum in this category). But on-the-whole, I don't reckon it's much different from a wider sampling.

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A casual sampling of enthusiasts is much different than an enthusiastic sampling of casuals.
Yes, but in this case I doubt we'd be far off from what we wanted to know, and I bet we'd beat Forrester


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Unfortunately, this is a human condition that is in no way exclusive to management.
No, it's not exclusive to management of course. Over-all point: I don't value Forrester's research. With so many news articles like there is often some self-serving Research Firm pulling figures out of its pie-hole. These figures are used as the basis for further discussion in the article. I just don't think we necessarily have to believe them nor accept them as necessarily accurate.
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