Gen3 New Firmware build 796 available for CyBook Gen3 - Page 2

discourse · 09-05-2008, 10:54 PM

Some nice little tweaks. I would have liked proper support for folders though. Reading Manga on the Gen 3 without folders is a pain.

David Munch · 09-05-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevy

i tried it,
a nice better pdf response when you change page, no crash of the cybook with big pdf, the zoom works well but if you go to the right of a page, when you go to the next page, you restart at the left (sorry if i'm not quite clear)

Its quite clear. -But, isnt that what one would expect? You've read the last sentence (From left to right), so you expect it to start in the left side on the next page?

Could anyone give me a good statement on how this is with (Scientific) PDFs now? I'll buy one in a second, if it is usable..

junior · 09-06-2008, 12:15 AM

Here the upgrade worked perfectly, now we are going to test ...

IreneDelse · 09-06-2008, 03:26 AM

I upgraded my Cybook. PDF support is pretty good, now: no crashes, ability to read even complex A4 documents...

I tried it with a 92-page A4 magazine with illustrations and it worked fine. If I combined the zoom with landscape display, it was nearly comfortable reading!

Browsing is a little slower than with Mobi or html files, though, you have to get used to it. And with landscape, you must use the up-down buttons to read a (printed) page from beginning to end, and left-right buttons to go from one page to the next.

There's still a few things to fix, mostly the management of fonts in PDF documents: with some fonts, especially at large font sizes, the letters get crunched up and untidy. But it's a minor problem, IMO.

Jellby · 09-06-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by IceHand

I don't quite understand what you're saying, could you describe in detail what isn't working?

I think I can.

First, with previous versions, the Cybooks "thought" that it was A4-size. If you had an A4 PDF in fullscreen, the status bar would say 100%, while if you had a 12x9cm PDF it would say 235%. This now seems to be fixed, and a fullscreen 12x9cm PDF is 101% (let's allow for rounding errors and not exact size matching).

Now, the problem is that the only zoom levels allowed are between 50% and 100%. So, if you have a 12x9cm PDF (designed for the Cybook screen), you cannot actually zoom in, because 100% is already fullscreen (the most you can have is "fit to width" and "landscape").

By the way, I also noticed a new rendering bug if PDFs. The cover page in the PDFs I've created (see in the "other ebooks" forum) have some elements missing (the top black rectangle and the title) when in high zoom (fullscreen or 100%), but if I zoom out everything is fine. This didn't happen with the previous firmware.

ADSR · 09-06-2008, 05:00 AM

The PDF support is pretty good now. I would mainly use it to read free newspapers so I tried today's AM New York issue. You can scroll through the pages in portrait mode with fitted width, read the headlines and then zoom to 100% when you find an interesting article that you want to read. This works pretty well with a reasonable speed.

The downside is: it still crashes sometimes while scrolling through the pages, and you'll get kicked back to the library

So that's kind of a bummer. Have to say that AM New York is the only PDF I've tried so far so I can't judge on other PDF documents. I wonder how much the battery life has improved though.

peterbbb · 09-06-2008, 05:12 AM

Yep, fine on mine.

stevy · 09-06-2008, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

I think I can.

First, with previous versions, the Cybooks "thought" that it was A4-size. If you had an A4 PDF in fullscreen, the status bar would say 100%, while if you had a 12x9cm PDF it would say 235%. This now seems to be fixed, and a fullscreen 12x9cm PDF is 101% (let's allow for rounding errors and not exact size matching).

Now, the problem is that the only zoom levels allowed are between 50% and 100%. So, if you have a 12x9cm PDF (designed for the Cybook screen), you cannot actually zoom in, because 100% is already fullscreen (the most you can have is "fit to width" and "landscape").

By the way, I also noticed a new rendering bug if PDFs. The cover page in the PDFs I've created (see in the "other ebooks" forum) have some elements missing (the top black rectangle and the title) when in high zoom (fullscreen or 100%), but if I zoom out everything is fine. This didn't happen with the previous firmware.

Totally correct. I couldn't say it better

Hanselda · 09-06-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by David Munch

Could anyone give me a good statement on how this is with (Scientific) PDFs now? I'll buy one in a second, if it is usable..

Yes! It is quite good for scientific papers now. Especially for those with two or three columns, the zooming really works great. I tried the papers from some journals, all works very good. The two/three columns in many papers can be read easily with zoom. Even those old scanned PDF papers are OK.

David Munch · 09-06-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanselda

Yes! It is quite good for scientific papers now. Especially for those with two or three columns, the zooming really works great. I tried the papers from some journals, all works very good. The two/three columns in many papers can be read easily with zoom. Even those old scanned PDF papers are OK.

Thanks for the feedback! Cybook is one my 'to get' list now..

Hanselda · 09-06-2008, 07:03 AM

The Cybook will still crash when reading PDF, especially when switching between pages too fast. A rule of thumb is, do not turn to the next page if the green LED is still bright, just wait for few seconds.

Krystian Galaj · 09-06-2008, 07:12 AM

Two things I noticed after updating is, it now works on a PDF it crashed on before (turns out the PDF has a big full-page picture on it that took Cybok 25 secondsto load - but it didn't crash). Second is, when I turned it off, it reacted immediately. Previous firmware version had me keep the Power button pressed for 3-4 seconds before turning off.

Hanselda · 09-06-2008, 07:24 AM

There are still unreadable PDF files. Normally these are files with very large pictures.

JSWolf · 09-06-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by discourse

Some nice little tweaks. I would have liked proper support for folders though. Reading Manga on the Gen 3 without folders is a pain.

I would think that fixing the issued that plagued version 709 would be more important. Would you rather have folders with crashes, lockups, and reboots or would you rather not have folder support but also not have the crashes, lockups, and reboots? Personally, I'd take the no folder support for the stability fixes.

tompe · 09-06-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I would think that fixing the issued that plagued version 709 would be more important. Would you rather have folders with crashes, lockups, and reboots or would you rather not have folder support but also not have the crashes, lockups, and reboots? Personally, I'd take the no folder support for the stability fixes.

They will never eliminate all bugs. Folders seem to be a modular thing so they can add it to all old versions so you can then choose the one that suits you. It should not be an either or questions. If folders are delayed more than they will be irrelevant since new readers or new software like openinkpot will solve the problem.

09-06-2008, 05:00 AM	#21
ADSR Cyreader Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Netherlands Device: Cybook Gen3	The PDF support is pretty good now. I would mainly use it to read free newspapers so I tried today's AM New York issue. You can scroll through the pages in portrait mode with fitted width, read the headlines and then zoom to 100% when you find an interesting article that you want to read. This works pretty well with a reasonable speed. The downside is: it still crashes sometimes while scrolling through the pages, and you'll get kicked back to the library So that's kind of a bummer. Have to say that AM New York is the only PDF I've tried so far so I can't judge on other PDF documents. I wonder how much the battery life has improved though. Last edited by ADSR; 09-06-2008 at 05:04 AM.

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09-05-2008, 10:54 PM	#16
discourse Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 96 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Finland Device: NOOK Simple Touch with GlowLight, iPad 1	Some nice little tweaks. I would have liked proper support for folders though. Reading Manga on the Gen 3 without folders is a pain.

09-06-2008, 12:15 AM	#18
junior Connoisseur Posts: 85 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Fortaleza, Brasil Device: Palm TX, CyBook Gen3	Here the upgrade worked perfectly, now we are going to test ...

09-06-2008, 03:26 AM	#19
IreneDelse Groupie Posts: 154 Karma: 589 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Paris Device: Bookeen Cybook Gen3 & Opus	I upgraded my Cybook. PDF support is pretty good, now: no crashes, ability to read even complex A4 documents... I tried it with a 92-page A4 magazine with illustrations and it worked fine. If I combined the zoom with landscape display, it was nearly comfortable reading! Browsing is a little slower than with Mobi or html files, though, you have to get used to it. And with landscape, you must use the up-down buttons to read a (printed) page from beginning to end, and left-right buttons to go from one page to the next. There's still a few things to fix, mostly the management of fonts in PDF documents: with some fonts, especially at large font sizes, the letters get crunched up and untidy. But it's a minor problem, IMO.

09-06-2008, 05:12 AM	#22
peterbbb BoyReader Posts: 151 Karma: 308 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Llangollen, North Wales, UK Device: Cybook Gen3 and now Kindle 3	Yep, fine on mine.

09-06-2008, 07:03 AM	#26
Hanselda Enthusiast Posts: 42 Karma: 12 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: CyBook, Sony PRS 600	The Cybook will still crash when reading PDF, especially when switching between pages too fast. A rule of thumb is, do not turn to the next page if the green LED is still bright, just wait for few seconds.

09-06-2008, 07:12 AM	#27
Krystian Galaj Guru Posts: 820 Karma: 11012 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Bookeen Cybook	Two things I noticed after updating is, it now works on a PDF it crashed on before (turns out the PDF has a big full-page picture on it that took Cybok 25 secondsto load - but it didn't crash). Second is, when I turned it off, it reacted immediately. Previous firmware version had me keep the Power button pressed for 3-4 seconds before turning off.

09-06-2008, 07:24 AM	#28
Hanselda Enthusiast Posts: 42 Karma: 12 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: CyBook, Sony PRS 600	There are still unreadable PDF files. Normally these are files with very large pictures.

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