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That's why Google's database is pretty much useless. For well-known works, Amazon's own database works better.
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What law was broken? I can't find one. Now, if the copyright holder comes forward with proof that Conde Nast doesn't own the copyright, what penalty does Conde Nast pay? They never published anything (yet). They never made any money off that book (yet). |
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08-19-2009, 07:17 AM | #92 |
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Well, pdf is crap. ePubs are just way more confortable. I might give it a try, using mobi creator and calibre.
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Isn't there any law about making false claims? It would probably be a minor fault and, even if someone would sue them, they could be charged only with a small fine (I guess), but there should be a law against lying
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08-19-2009, 07:37 AM | #94 |
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I believe the DMCA states that you make the claim "under penalty of perjury". But I don't believe anything has ever happened to anyone who has made a false claim, despite it having happened a number of times (most notably by the RIAA and MPAA claiming to represent the owners of works that they actually didn't have the copyright to).
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Something having to do with fraud maybe?
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Whether or not the government would actually enforce that is another matter. |
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The "under penalty of perjury" means that they're not supposed to just guess or assume that they hold the copyright, they're making a legal claim that they knowingly hold it. In order for Conde Nast to issue a DMCA takedown request for the material on Project Gutenberg, they have to legally state that they knowingly hold the copyright on that material. I don't see any wiggle room there for "oops, our mistake". |
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As to the DMCA, it's up to the actual copyright holder to pursue the companies involved making the false claim of ownership. This is generally not cost-effective. |
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In my past dealings, I was always under the understanding of the Shag master.
I not too long ago ran into a situation where someone claimed they owned the copyright on some photos that I had on one of my sites. I knew it was BS, because I knew the story of the photos (Guy takes pictures of girl, girl dumps guy for another guy, Guy #1 publishes photos via photosharing site, Guy #2 didn't like pictures being online, and sends DMCA notices.) He didn't even know the subject of the photos at the time they were taken (Timestamped), so his claim was his girlfriend took the pictures herself (when it was obvious from the pictures she couldn't have). Multiple problems here, such as that he was the one filing the claim, not the girlfriend who he claimed owned the copyright. Unfortunately, as the one getting the notice, I could do very little about it. Most hosts will yank the account, or at least the offending portion, and ask questions later (if at all). Really, the DMCA is horribly flawed, and favors the person who makes the claim. |
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In the UK, the loser of a court case pretty much always has to pay all the winner's legal costs, in addition to their own. Is this not the case in the US?
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The problem isn't that so much, but that the penaltys involved will usually be low, and you have little return for /your/ time spent. Sure, the lawyers get paid, but... |
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Hell, there are times when reparations are ordered (such as in a criminal case), but never made. My parents owned a store, and one time, it was broken into after hours. The guys who did it was caught, and one was ordered to pay reparations to my parents. However, he never did, and when the case worker was contacted about that, she said "But poor Joshua doesn't have a job, so cannot afford it". "Poor Joshua" was 16 years old, lived at his parents million dollar plus house, and had everything bought from him, including a luxury car. He had no need for a job. Being that he was still a minor, that would have meant his parents would also share the responsibility, yet nothing ever came to fruition. In that aspect, the legal system here is a joke. |
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