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That is everything that needs to be said. We will find out soon enough. Amazon doesn't really matter for these proceedings. Should they ever become a monopoly and abuse that power then the DOJ will deal with them separately.
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I think that any literate person who actually clicked through and read the article would say that you are wrong, but you have a right to your opinion.
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If at any point there was an agreement "We will only do this if you/they do", that is collusion. |
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The publishers and Apple either colluded or they didn't and that's a legal question. Are you just trying to say (but articulating badly) that there's a defense to collusion that the publishers have (which would go to the legal question of is there collusion)? As far as I know, there's no defense in a case of collusion that says its not collusion if the one you're trying to nail is Amazon, but hey, you're the legal expert. Also, having taken a look at the full text of the case in the Wikipedia article you previously posted, I note that it also doesn't seem to support the point I think you're trying to make. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 06-08-2012 at 02:15 PM. |
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My point is that there are legal issues arising from this case and sound defense arguments available that go beyond whether collusion occurred. How people missed that after reading that article I cannot fathom, actually. An anti-trust expert quoted made it very clear that collusion was one of the
three major points of law at issue in this case. What could be clearer than that? Indeed I have quoted from Supreme Court Justice Kennedy in an antitrust case stating that if supplier fixes a higher than market price , its legally permissible in certain cases .The SCOTUS has not held in that it could happen in case involving multiple suppliers, but they certainly could, if you review the arguments that the Supreme Court accepted. To quote a certain entity, " This conversation can serve no purpose any longer. Goodbye." |
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Is it possible that the AVERAGE price has dropped because people buy more independent books now than they did before because the big name books went up in price? That chart is completely meaningless. |
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^Yep. Statistics at its finest. Ask me if e-book prices have dropped and I'll say no. I've seen the titles I normally buy go from abour $8 a piece to $16 over the last year. I don't know who to blame, and it doesn't matter, I just know to vote with my wallet. Which is saying that none of those publishers are making money from me right now when they used to, both in paper and e-books.
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Perhaps what that chart really represents is a last ditch push by publishers to monetize titles in their pipeline as hardcovers before the ebook wave swamps them. Who knows? But I'm not buying B&N's spin without a heck of a lot more data than that chart. |
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edit: noticed someone else has already brought these points up, removed to save recovering the same ground
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Don't feel bad about that; it's only natural that the an eminent legal scholar such as Stonetools would be more on top of these things than the rest of us. Since declaring myself a doctor, I'm now way too busy with my medical practice to keep up with this stuff. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 06-08-2012 at 09:41 PM. |
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I can see Amazon being a publisher not in Amazon's favor. I can see that if the BPHs want to stop selling to Amazon, all they have to do is claim that since Amazon is a publisher, that they are the competition and they don't sell to the competition. I think they could get away with that pretty easily.
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