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Many of those screeching loudest against the e-ink ebook readers haven't actually USED said devices for a month or so to read ebooks. Further, if the units now apparently on sale in China/Japan *are* real iSlate devices, the price of said devices are/will be around $1,000. Far too expensive for an ebook reader. And with a 10.1" display, rather UNportable compared to your average 5"/6" e-ink reader. Derek |
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12-31-2009, 06:28 PM | #77 |
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Not all of us. I love my Kindle. E-ink devices are ideal for novel reading.
They're just not much good for other types of reading--work, school, academic articles etc. where you need to be able to annotate and highlight easily, flip pages quickly etc. It's not an either/or proposition. I want both types of devices personally, and there's plenty of room all kinds of devices in the market. I'll never understand why these discussions tend to get so contentious. E-ink is great for dedicated novel readers, and such devices will stick around indefinitely. But at the same time, tablet devices fit their own niche and need to come out for those of us who need them for academic reading and other purposes. |
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3) True, but really, who cares? 4) True, but if that's what you need, get a multifunction device. Quote:
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The point, rather simply, is that as long as an epaper-type device happens to provide a superior reading experience, and as long as reading is an experience that involves a significant amount of time, epaper-driven devices will stick around and be useful. Separately, there is an assumption that all devices "must" be superseded and/or replaced by multifunction devices, which historically isn't the case. |
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3 is determined by an outside factor: what format is the ebook in? You use the software that can read that book, and confront whether that software can run on that device. The Kindle, for example, uses the Mobipocket format. The Sony Reader uses BBLF but it shifting to ePub. The nook supports the legacy eReader format but uses ePub as a default. Other formats exist as well. Some readers support a wider range than others, but some things are unlikely to happen because of vendor restrictions. Mobipocket, for example, insists on being the only DRM capable format on the device, so you are unlikely to see a dedicated reader device handling Mobipocket and secure ePub. If you license Adobe, Mobipocket won't sell you a license. And 4 may change over time. At the press conference introducing the nook, the B&N developers indicated that they knew Android was becoming a popular platform, and there would be interest in the Android developer community in creating applications for the nook. They didn't commit to any time frame for offering an SDK to allow third-party development, but they didn't state they wouldn't support third-party development, either. The attitude was largely "One thing at a time. We want to get the device out there, develop the infrastructure to support it, fix lingering bugs and add features. When the dust settles, we'll see about opening it up to outside developers." Quote:
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Criticizing a dedicated reader for not being a multi-function device is nonsensical. It isn't trying to be. It's intended to be a specialized tool to perform a specific job. It should be criticized on how well it does the job it was designed for, and not for all of the things it doesn't do. Shall we start criticizing MP3 players for only playing songs? And "open" is a loaded word. "Open" as applied to operating systems usually means you can get the code for and modify the OS itself. But the vast majority of users will never want to do that, let alone be able to if it's possible. They just want to run programs that perform tasks they want to do. Just about all OSes have public APIs and SDKs available to let third party developers create software for the platform. For example, there's a lot more software available for Windows than there is for Linux, even though both OSes run on X86 platforms. I multiboot here, with Win2K, WinXP, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Puppy Linux in the mix. I can do the basics on any platform, but Windows isn't going away. Too much still requires Windows. The Gimp is wonderful, for example, but it isn't Photoshop. And while open systems are wonderful, the open development model isn't a panacea. Consider why developers develop for open systems like Linux? Very few folks are in a position to get paid for doing so. Most do it to either scratch a personal itch ("What? It doesn't do that? I'm a programmer. I'll make it do that!") or for coolness factor ("I'm a Linux kernel hacker!") So whether you get something is ultimately determined by whether a developer shared your itch, or thought it would be a cool thing to do. If neither of those is true, you may have a long wait for what you want. I'm not in the market for a dedicated reader. I prefer multi-function devices to. But I understand the appeal of a dedicted reader, and the attractions of an eInk display. ______ Dennis |
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I have owned and used a number of e-ink devices and they are ideal for what they are designed for, reading black and white text. However I have also recently taken delivery of the Archos 9 tablet and installed windows 7 ultra (why on earth it shipped with 7 starter ) and it serves very well as a reader for the photography books that I read which really need colour display to get the most out of. It will replace a lap top for many tasks but will not replace my Kindle. Having said that I have read a couple of novels on it using the mobipocket reader and it has been more than acceptable. With the back light turned down very low I have not experienced any eye strain at all.
I am still experimenting with the handwriting conversion capabilities of the device but it is looking like it will be very useful for when uni resumes in March. |
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Really thanks for th trip back down memory lane. My actual first computer where I learned that I lived to write code as an HP calculator in the mid-ish 70s. Funny how such a small device spurred on a career in CS even over mathematics though I have always considered the tools needed to understand each as the same. And the DisplayWriter, wow, I had forgotten them, what a tool they were back then!! And who can forget the speed and "quality" of those daisy wheel printers and typewriters compared to the early dot matrix. My first printer was a blazing fast Star Micronics SG-10X and it cost something like $799 at the time and I bought it along with the Compaq from...Computerland because my credit union would give me a signature loan even as a student since I was working full time. first thing I ever bought on credit as well. And I was in my mid-20s by then. I also remember running the computer lab at my college where we had over a dozen Apple II's and being completely befuddled by them coming over from an MSDOS background as well as some Unix experience. But since few students bothered to even use the lab I turned it into tutoring sessions for my private math students as I had a whole wall of whiteboard to use!! hehehehe.... I know that is OT but it's been a really sheety year for me personally and you brought back some wonderful memories of when life was new and exciting still. Quote:
Devie wise, my wants and "needs" are pretty much the same as yours. Only I no longer carry a cell phone since there is never a time anyone needs to get in touch with me no matter where I am nor I them...if that need arises I do have an old trow away phone I can buy minutes for or I can stop by the closest Stop-n-Rob and buy one for $25 with enough time to make do. I mean screw it, if I need emergency help but can't get myself out of the situation then I die, because of advanced RA (juvenile onset Dx'd at 9yrs old) I carry enough pain killers with me to down a small elephant most days...such is life, self reliance is a seriously missing element in today's population. I do not mind a PDA along with a 5" reader to carry around because eink is much nicer outside. But I am happy to sway the 5" device for a larger slate PC when I want access to reference books which require color as well as full power computer functionality. But, I can say without qualification I won't consider paying over $400 for such a device. I feel I am not alone in this because nothing in these more PC-like devices is new and components are pennies, hell a CPU can be had in quantity for $10 or less even...same for a decent GPU and chipset. The panels, if using the Pixel Qi panels use existing designs which were combined in a new way, according to Jepsen anyway. She even indicates they cost is less than current LCD panels even with the new design. That said, in the interview with Charbax Jepsen also indicated the first gen devices using the panel would not be using them to their fullest capability so I sense I might wait a generation or at least until the later part of 2010. In the mean time the EPD panels, especially Mirasol, should have gained a lot of ground. I sense the controllers are where we will see the most improvement and sooner than in the panels themselves. Look how fast the new PRS900 is based on that demo video the thing is blazing fast at screen updates...so it looks that there is capacity to spare even in the current generation panels and it's the controllers and firmware holding them back speed wise. Kinda nice to see really...if nothing else this will be a verrrrry interesting year device wise. And Apple is dreaming if they do come out with a slate PC at an $800 price point...if so unless it comes with free lifetime MBB, it will be of interest pretty much only to the "credit card riche" set, that ApPlE has gotten to drink their Kool Aid, who will buy into them. That said I think the UI on the iPhone/ipOd toUcH is a super design but I am not sure how such a UI would play out on a larger format device...I just never have liked the Apple way of doing business and that goes back almost three decades where I got the bad taste from them which has never gone away. BTW, I think it entirely possible that a company like Amazon, Apple or even Google will buy Sprint in the coming couple years...one of these content providers needs to have a distribution system they can bundle with their devices or subscription content without worry about use caps where none are actually necessary. Whoever solves that problem will win the device dominance game. |
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Thanks for posting your take on the Archos 9!! If ya ever have time a review from your photographer's perspective would be wonderful. especially since there is Kindle PC now and there are a constantly growing number of photography books for the Kindle. |
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First, let me clarify that I am NOT arguing for the "death of eInk" displays. I enjoy reading from my device, it works well FOR WHAT IT DOES. What I was trying to argue was that there are perfectly valid reasons FOR SOME PEOPLE to want something different, also.
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I'm happy to call for the "death of e-ink", not as a company or as an idea, but as a currently available product. EPDs may or may not have much of a future compared to better technologies that have already been demonstrated and are trying to get a grip in the market. EPD producers have to find some creative ways around their current barriers to accomplish what its competitors are capable of. What they (PVI/e-ink) have is presence, and that may serve as momentum for a while.
I don't see, nor do I produce, much "screeching" at all. Perhaps those who perceive what I and others say as such may have some insecurity issues to work out. |
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Having used PDAs for reading for 20 odd years before eInk devices appeared, I'm personally very well aware of their capabilities, but that wasn't what I was replying to. |
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You yourself have admitted that there are many limitations to e-ink. My comment was simply a response to the idea that we shouldn't comment about e-ink's shortcomings based on an analogy that we shouldn't expect a Sony Reader to make phone calls. Ebook readers never been purported to be any kind of communications device, so why would anyone expect it to make phone calls? Yet it is openly described as a reading device, and it is not hard whatsoever to include color-illustrated books, magazines, technical documents, academic work, and all sorts of things that e-ink readers are still bad at within the scope of reading. It's a continuation of my earlier assertion that too many people presume "reading" to be nothing more than text-viewing. |
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The fact that you have essentially launched an ad hom/personal attack against me in the above quote merely demonstrates what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I see written here on this board through day after day of reading your posts. What you posted was a personal slam against me, an insult about me as a person. |
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There probably never will be any one device which is ideal for reading all types of reading matter, whether than device be a print medium or an electronic one. |
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Sorry, this is a sad misrepresentation of my posts. Perhaps it's that fundamental misunderstanding that leads to such hostile characterization.
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