Submission Fees

kennyc · 12-10-2012, 10:56 AM

I was preparing a submission for Brevity (short 750 word non-fiction) and then I took a closer look at the submission guidelines and find that they have recently gone over to charging a $3 fee for submissions. They do pay $45 if published but I just can't see myself paying $3 just to have some volunteer wannabe writer reject my work.

Thoughts?

Corkobo · 12-10-2012, 11:44 AM

Hmm, I'm not a writer so maybe I should abstain from answering.

However, I've read so many writing books that I think I can qualify as "advice giver (amateur class)".

So, my advice is to NOT do it.

From all the books I've read, the idea is to never pay for submissions as the point is for them to pay you.

And at $3 a submission all they need is 15 submissions and they have their text essentially for free, any more than 15 submissions and they're making money.

But please take note of my first sentence...

kennyc · 12-10-2012, 11:55 AM

You're certainly welcome to have an opinion. I have one about just about everything, just ask anyone.

I agree. I understand they want to limit the inappropriate submissions, but jeezus that's their job and from what I read in the comments the first readers are volunteers anyway. It's not like they are paying someone to read the slushpile.

frahse · 12-12-2012, 06:55 AM

I would certainty be hesitant but I don't know enough of what they do with your submission.

Will they critique it and tell you how it relates to what they are looking for and that sort of thing? Some writers especially when new might relish that kind of feedback. The second try might be a success. Is the second try also charged the fee?

Does the process continue if you pass the first muster? Are there other levels? More feedback? More fees?

Ninjalawyer · 12-12-2012, 11:22 AM

I wouldn't pay. You're doing them a favour by submitting your manuscript, they're not doing you a favour by reviewing it and (possibly) rejecting it.

cromag · 12-17-2012, 11:30 PM

I personally wouldn't. I sympathize with their slush-pile readers (I assume they have them), but I just wouldn't.

JoelArnold · 12-19-2012, 05:34 PM

What I've always adhered to is the saying that money should always flow TO the writer. I bet there are many other publications that will take a look at your work for free!

bmcox · 12-20-2012, 01:18 PM

I assume that Brevity is a journal. If it's not a (reputable) contest I wouldn't submit. There are plenty other markets out there that do not charge. Use New Pages or Duotrope (although you'll soon have to pay for them) to find them.

kennyc · 12-20-2012, 01:36 PM

Thanks for all the comments on this, I wasn't looking specifically for advice (I'd already decided not to send to Brevity) but more wanted to open up the topic for discussion in case others here were/are interested.

And yes Brevity is an on line journal started by Dinty Moore that publishes very short < 750 word creative non-fiction essays.

I was actually just brushing up on some of these markets as that last posting came through, so thought I'd respond.

Another market for short non-fiction of various types is the Christian Science Monitor. < 800 words mostly.

Also Creative NonFiction publishes various types of essays of various lengths another good market.

And also, yes Duotrope is a good place/has been a good place to find markets, but as you mention they are going to a paid subscription model so they'll also be off my list as well starting 1/1/2013

This page lists a few markets for Personal Essays: http://www.writing-world.com/creative/fifteen.shtml

If anyone is interested in other creative non-fiction markets I could list some or feel free to post any you have found of interest.

12-10-2012, 10:56 AM	#1
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Submission Fees I was preparing a submission for Brevity (short 750 word non-fiction) and then I took a closer look at the submission guidelines and find that they have recently gone over to charging a $3 fee for submissions. They do pay $45 if published but I just can't see myself paying $3 just to have some volunteer wannabe writer reject my work. Thoughts?

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12-10-2012, 11:44 AM	#2
Corkobo Zealot Posts: 107 Karma: 1053398 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Scotland Device: Kobo Glo, Nook Touch	Hmm, I'm not a writer so maybe I should abstain from answering. However, I've read so many writing books that I think I can qualify as "advice giver (amateur class)". So, my advice is to NOT do it. From all the books I've read, the idea is to never pay for submissions as the point is for them to pay you. And at $3 a submission all they need is 15 submissions and they have their text essentially for free, any more than 15 submissions and they're making money. But please take note of my first sentence...

12-10-2012, 11:55 AM	#3
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	You're certainly welcome to have an opinion. I have one about just about everything, just ask anyone. I agree. I understand they want to limit the inappropriate submissions, but jeezus that's their job and from what I read in the comments the first readers are volunteers anyway. It's not like they are paying someone to read the slushpile.

12-12-2012, 06:55 AM	#4
frahse occasional author Posts: 2,314 Karma: 2064403292 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains. Device: A Franklin BI (before Internet) was the first. I still have it.	I would certainty be hesitant but I don't know enough of what they do with your submission. Will they critique it and tell you how it relates to what they are looking for and that sort of thing? Some writers especially when new might relish that kind of feedback. The second try might be a success. Is the second try also charged the fee? Does the process continue if you pass the first muster? Are there other levels? More feedback? More fees?

12-12-2012, 11:22 AM	#5
Ninjalawyer Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 18573626 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Touch, Nexus 7 (2013)	I wouldn't pay. You're doing them a favour by submitting your manuscript, they're not doing you a favour by reviewing it and (possibly) rejecting it.

12-17-2012, 11:30 PM	#6
cromag Surfin the alpha waves ~~ Posts: 24,279 Karma: 459220161 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New Jersey Device: Jetbook Lite & Mini, Nook STR, Kobo, Hanvon N516, Kindle 2, Androids	I personally wouldn't. I sympathize with their slush-pile readers (I assume they have them), but I just wouldn't.

12-19-2012, 05:34 PM	#7
JoelArnold Fanatic Posts: 544 Karma: 1036914 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Savage, MN Device: Kindle 3	What I've always adhered to is the saying that money should always flow TO the writer. I bet there are many other publications that will take a look at your work for free!

12-20-2012, 01:18 PM	#8
bmcox Connoisseur Posts: 78 Karma: 1000000 Join Date: Dec 2012 Device: None	I assume that Brevity is a journal. If it's not a (reputable) contest I wouldn't submit. There are plenty other markets out there that do not charge. Use New Pages or Duotrope (although you'll soon have to pay for them) to find them.

12-20-2012, 01:36 PM	#9
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Thanks for all the comments on this, I wasn't looking specifically for advice (I'd already decided not to send to Brevity) but more wanted to open up the topic for discussion in case others here were/are interested. And yes Brevity is an on line journal started by Dinty Moore that publishes very short < 750 word creative non-fiction essays. I was actually just brushing up on some of these markets as that last posting came through, so thought I'd respond. Another market for short non-fiction of various types is the Christian Science Monitor. < 800 words mostly. Also Creative NonFiction publishes various types of essays of various lengths another good market. And also, yes Duotrope is a good place/has been a good place to find markets, but as you mention they are going to a paid subscription model so they'll also be off my list as well starting 1/1/2013 This page lists a few markets for Personal Essays: http://www.writing-world.com/creative/fifteen.shtml If anyone is interested in other creative non-fiction markets I could list some or feel free to post any you have found of interest.

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