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08-26-2013, 02:54 PM | #46 | |
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In the US at least, I hope that a court order, at a minimum, is required to get customer information. |
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08-26-2013, 04:54 PM | #47 | |
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08-26-2013, 06:38 PM | #48 | |
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There are many vendors that sell or share customer information. If that is adequately (from the government POV) disclosed, the government does not care. |
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08-26-2013, 07:36 PM | #49 | |
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I am having a hard time understanding how the government could catch unauthorized downloaders without bigger civil liberties concerns than when businesses do it, but maybe I am missing something. No one that I know of thinks the "proper authorities" should be spending tax dollars catching shoplifters. Instead, this is the responsibility of the retail industry. Then the store (possibly working with a video surveillance firm or other consultant) decides whether an internal sanction, such as calling parents or forbidding someone from the premises is sufficient, or if they are going to call the police. I don't see why it would be different with digital scofflaws. |
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08-27-2013, 12:24 AM | #50 |
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I don't think they're going after downloaders. They have no way of knowing who the downloaders are. They are going after uploaders, and would be using the watermark to identify the uploader. I don't think they really care about the downloaders.
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08-27-2013, 12:30 AM | #51 | |
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And you wouldn't need a court order in the US if the vendor is willing, although they may request a court order to protect themselves. |
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08-27-2013, 01:51 AM | #52 |
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The Problem with with watermarks:
To whom does the watermark refers? To the person who once legal got the ebook. Is this person always the one, who does anything illegal? Not always. You can just lose your e-reader with my ebooks, you can legaly lend it to some other person. You just don't know an can't control what the other person is doing with you ebooks. So watermark is no proof of anything. Further if you buy an ebook with a watermark you have to worry to be sometime accused to piracy. So its better not to buy any ebook, just go and get it from other people or other websites. A long as the legal purchaser of ebooks is in a much worse state (often annoyed with hard DRM), there will be no end to piracy... Last edited by samy2; 08-27-2013 at 04:05 AM. |
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08-27-2013, 09:43 AM | #54 | |
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I do support that content creators and/or retailers should have some means to protect their wares and not have to sit back and be totally at the mercy of unauthorized downloaders/uploaders. But I feel that above all, personal privacy and civil liberties of the individual must be guarded from unnecessary intrusion, and there must be due process. It's a thorny issue, with no easy answers, no doubt about it. I know one thing, Brien's scheme as described, of demanding compliance from retailers to cough up their customer's personal info upon demand OR ELSE, is utterly repugnant to me personally, and in my humble opinion they shouldn't be allowed to do it. |
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08-27-2013, 11:29 AM | #56 | |
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With the way torrents and other P2P private networks are going, these companies and the government are fighting a losing battle. If this ever stops in my lifetime I will be in shock!
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08-27-2013, 01:59 PM | #58 | |
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More recently, Verizon and AT&T have turned over a great deal of data to the government without court orders. |
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08-27-2013, 02:05 PM | #59 | |
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...response.shtml http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-...laptop-090904/ http://zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=69439 http://torrentfreak.com/brein-seizes...ay-sue-110222/ |
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08-27-2013, 05:18 PM | #60 |
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When I said earlier "at a minimum, a court order" I meant that vendors shouldn't turn over purchasers names without a court order, and that court order had to be specifically for some complaint that had a obvious and important connection. e.g. the purchase was found at the scene of the murder clutched in the deceased person's hands. For example, if I find that a vendor has given someone my name, address, phone number, and credit information, I will first broadcast that fact to future potential purchasers and probably sue as well. |
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