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dude go churn some butter already, sheer a few sheep, mike a cow or two, repair the broken spoke on your wagon wheel and dear god stop using that tool of the devil called the internet. you and find all you need is nature. hehe...just busting yur stones for fun, I getwhere you are coming from but guess what, it's incongrous(sp?) with the existing tools you are using to communicate with the enire globe. Thing about that for just a moment, what are you saying with you pooh-poohing then entire idea and potential of companies at least exploring color EPD technology? |
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I don't claim that age brings wisdom, as I've seen too many cases where it did quite the opposite. But it does bring a sense of perspective, and a certain amount of pragmatism. I'm not pooh-poohing it. I was impressed by the demo - I hadn't thought the refresh rate on e-Ink screens could be fast enough to make video playback realistic. Likewise, I'm not opposed to color e-Ink. But PVI announced a prototype 12 bit color e-Ink screen in 2006 that they claimed would be in volume production in 2007. It took till now, with Hanvon sampling a device using it, for it to become available. You might ask why. I did, and the answer I could see was some combination of problems ramping from prototype to production, costs higher than manufacturers were willing to pay for the units, and unsatisfactory display quality. I covered Amazon and Sony launch events for MR, and color support was a question asked of both vendors. Both said they were aware color was desirable, and keeping an eye on developments, but did not see technology then available they thought would give a satisfactory customer experience. (Translation: they didn't think the market would find the color offered by color e-Ink acceptable, and the other low-power color solutions weren't there yet.) Well, maybe they were wrong. Or maybe they were right back then but the tech has gotten good enough recently to merit a second look. I don't know. I know it wouldn't meet my needs, but I'm an ex-designer who is fussy about color values and wants better color reproduction than what color e-Ink can currently offer. I don't assume I'm representative, and there may well be enough people for whom it's acceptable to constitute a profitable market for for a manufacturer to address. (Hanvon obviously thinks so.) It's why I advise people who are interested in a color e-Ink device to see one in person, and preferably test on material they might like to read in color, to see if they find it acceptable for daily use. The bigger question for both video and color is use cases: why do you need either? For video, the answer I can see is "enhanced" ebooks, including audio and video. That's a hot topic, and there's a lot of development going on. The question is what books actually need multi-media. I think most efforts along that line will fail because the content doesn't really need it, and would be better offered as a normal book. I have similar questions about color. What content really needs it? Is the color reproduction offered by color e-Ink sufficient to properly present that content? That may depend upon who you ask. So no, I'm not pooh-poohing this stuff. I suspect my feelings can be summed up as "Just because you can do something, it doesn't mean the you should." I'll watch with interest to see what appears that uses these capabilities, and who will buy it when it does. But right now, I don't see the Next Big Thing. ______ Dennis |
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I logged time on PDP-11s, but missed the PDP-8. (An old friend logged time on a PDP-1.) But yes, there's certainly applications for older technology. What we're talking about here isn't older technology by that yardstick. The basic question is the same: just what problem are you trying to solve? That's pretty much the question for things like video on e-Ink displays and color e-Ink. If that stuff solves a big enough problem, it will do well. Right now it's a solution in search of problems. ______ Dennis |
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Dennis,
ya got my curiosity up now as the only word processor I can remember using on CP/M was Wordstar which was eventually ported to DOS. The only other off the wall but well regarded word processor I have in my noggin' is Xywrite and as I remember that was DOS from day one or close enough. My first and favorite word processor was the only one built from the first version as a Windows app called Ami Pro (now known by the unfortunate name of Word Pro) that was then bought by IBM and just left to die even though it was so much faster and feature rich than MS Word or the abomination that was Wordperfect. I still liked all the Wordstar commands as they worked in Borland's Turbo Pascal IDE/compilier so I knew them by default. I actually liked a small word processing app called pfs:Write (aka Professional Write) as it could do rectangular/block cut/copy 'n paste that even the big boys did not support. So what the heck are ya using...curious minds wanna know! |
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I have XyWrite about, too. I described it as a programming language for manipulating test, wrapped in a clever word processor disguise. XyQuest and XyWrite are long gone, but Nota Bene, a product based on it aimed at the scholars market still exists, and the former chief XyWrite developer is an investor and helping in development. See http://www.notabene.com/ XyWrite reminds me of Emacs on Unix. Emacs is a Lisp interpreter, and most of the editor is written in the dialect of Lisp it supports. If you know elisp, you can get Emacs to do just about anything, and people have. With XyWrite, you did it in XBL. Quote:
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thanks Dennis!!
I honestly don't remember VDE. But geeze are we dating our creaky old selves or what? hahaha I'm a lot like you anymore, I don't need full on word processing. In fact I wrote a simple text editor for my business needs and use EditPad for a lot of my other not taking and other needs. Funny how times have changed over the years in this area. Even WordPad is way more powerful than I need more than a few times a year. What I loved about Ami Pro was the drawing tools, the thing had Bezier curves when apps like Photoshop and CorelDraw were just thinking about it. Add to that it was XML before that became the trend. Plus there were the powerhouse that could, ya had to love anyone who bucked the MS and Wordperfect legions. It also had a spiffy equation editor though I used MathCad in college for that purpose. And REALLY thanks for that link about text editors. I still have my old Borland IDE for building your own word processing app, I forget the name of it at the moment. Had loads of fun with it. Heck I even have a great SoundEx routine I wrote in, get this, dbase III (well, Foxpro 1.x anyway, well before that it was dbase III but in the QNX dbase clone). It's all on floppy somewhere, if I could only find a real floppy drive!! Have you noticed that people today, even developers, seem to have forgotten that data entry is far faster using keyboard shortcuts than mousing. It's why I have longed for real from the ground up touch devices and apps. Odd they still haven't mastered text entry. Maybe before I die, but as that could be any day I might miss that bit of fun. |
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Wouldn't it be nice if there would be a massive breakthrough in battery technology, and we would no longer have to worry about the power consumption of devices?
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One of Bookeens programmers were the first ones to get in touch with us regarding our story, then we got 2 emails from other people within the company that gave us more details on the video. Hence is why we updated it, while preserving original post.
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I can see many uses outside the world of eBooks. eInk displays would be idea for advertising displays, since they are daylight readable. Video capabilities would certainly be beneficial in that area.
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