MobileRead Book Club March Discussion: Shutter Island by Dennis Lehane (spoilers) - Page 2

Bookworm_Girl · 03-21-2012, 11:32 PM

I went back to re-read some from the beginning too. The doctor's introduction at the beginning did have some purpose. I kept wondering how he fit into the story. He obviously felt some desire to record his memories of Teddy so you would have expected him to be very involved in what was happening on the island. Yet he supposedly had left on the ferry. And he met his wife on the island so where was she too? You knew something didn't fit and was being hidden. Then eventually all is revealed! And, I also wondered initially why Andrew & Rachel were referred to as the twin terrors. I'm surprised I missed the name jumble.

orlok · 03-22-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GA Russell

I was reminded of Paul Auster's City of Glass, the first book of "The New York Trilogy" which I read some years ago, in which the protagonist also turned out to be insane.

The New York Trilogy is on my 2012 challenge list, and you've just spoiled that for me

.

As far as Shutter Island goes, I find it hard to say objectively whether I would have been taken in by it or not, given that I already knew the twist. That said, I thought it was well written and gripping, though there were some plot issues, such as the water pistol, which I found stretched the bounds of credulity (why not make it a real gun with blanks?), and some of the things he was supposedly allowed to do on his own, given he was the most dangerous inmate on the island.

I thought the ending worked, though, in terms of why he had gone mad - wife killing kids, then him killing her - and I found the final scene where he is about to be led off for his lobotomy chilling.

BenG · 03-23-2012, 10:32 AM

The movie is even more chilling. It adds another twist at the end.
When he's being led away for the lobotomy he asks his partner whether it's "better to live as a monster or die a good man." It makes you wonder if he wants the lobotomy and is faking the regression because he doesn't want to live with the memory of what happened to his wife and children.

GA Russell · 03-23-2012, 12:04 PM

It wasn't evident to me from the book that he gets a lobotomy. Perhaps that's just a movie deal, or did I miss something?

issybird · 03-23-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GA Russell

It wasn't evident to me from the book that he gets a lobotomy. Perhaps that's just a movie deal, or did I miss something?

At the very end, when Laeddis is Daniels again, Sheehan gives a nod to Cawley and the attendants approach with a straitjacket, we're meant to infer that the lobotomy is the next thing on his agenda.

Format C: · 03-23-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GA Russell

It wasn't evident to me from the book that he gets a lobotomy. Perhaps that's just a movie deal, or did I miss something?

Even if lobotomy wasn't cited explicitly, in his final speech Dr. Crawley said that the only alternative to his own therapy was the "traditional" one, made of lobotomies and electroshocks.
In the final scene, when the experiment is obviously failed, Teddy saw the doctor, the warden and some orderlies coming his way bringing some white cloth with shining appendages, suggesting a straightjacket. I think it's safe to assume that that's the symbol of a violent inhuman therapy, of which lobotomy is an important part.
In this discussion, the final "lobotomy" is just an example of the treatment. In the end, Andrew/Teddy will be grinded in the "bad medecine" gears...

Format C: · 03-23-2012, 12:12 PM

Sorry, issybird: missed your post...

odiakkoh · 03-23-2012, 03:21 PM

Darn you guys, I wasn't expecting movie spoilers lol

The book was alright. I'm glad I ended up borrowing it from the library rather than buying it. I can't see Leo Dicaprio being a good Teddy though.

WT Sharpe · 03-23-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by odiakkoh

Darn you guys, I wasn't expecting movie spoilers....

Neither was I.

I've rented the movie to watch this weekend on my iPad.

orlok · 03-23-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by odiakkoh

Darn you guys, I wasn't expecting movie spoilers lol

The book was alright. I'm glad I ended up borrowing it from the library rather than buying it. I can't see Leo Dicaprio being a good Teddy though.

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Neither was I.

I've rented the movie to watch this weekend on my iPad.

OR spoilers for other books...

GA Russell · 03-23-2012, 10:39 PM

Sorry orlok! Actually, I don't think I gave away as much as you think I did.

By the way, don't look up The New York Trilogy on Wikipedia!

orlok · 03-24-2012, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GA Russell

Sorry orlok! Actually, I don't think I gave away as much as you think I did.

By the way, don't look up The New York Trilogy on Wikipedia!

Don't worry, I'll put it to the bottom of the challenge list, and by the time I get to it I'll have forgotten all about what you said. One of the benefits of getting older

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odiakkoh · 03-24-2012, 09:38 AM

So was the lady in the cave was his hallucination right? The doctors didn't have some lady sit there through the storm just for the charade?

WT Sharpe · 03-24-2012, 11:48 PM

I took it that she was an hallucination.

BTW, guys, I saw the movie today. I had been avoiding this thread for a couple of days for fear of more movie spoilers. I thought the movie was very faithful to the book, although some clues were left out. DiCaprio did a wonderful job, in my opinion.

GA Russell · 03-25-2012, 12:19 AM

I re-read the final chapter last night, and although I can see how it fits with a lobotomy ending, I don't think that a reader is dense if he didn't see it that way.

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03-21-2012, 11:32 PM	#16
Bookworm_Girl E-reader Enthusiast Posts: 4,871 Karma: 36507503 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Southwest, USA Device: Kindle Oasis 3; Kobo Aura One; iPad Mini 5	I went back to re-read some from the beginning too. The doctor's introduction at the beginning did have some purpose. I kept wondering how he fit into the story. He obviously felt some desire to record his memories of Teddy so you would have expected him to be very involved in what was happening on the island. Yet he supposedly had left on the ferry. And he met his wife on the island so where was she too? You knew something didn't fit and was being hidden. Then eventually all is revealed! And, I also wondered initially why Andrew & Rachel were referred to as the twin terrors. I'm surprised I missed the name jumble.

03-23-2012, 10:32 AM	#18
BenG Home Guard Posts: 4,729 Karma: 86721650 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alpha Ralpha Boulevard Device: Kindle Oasis 3G, iPhone 6	The movie is even more chilling. It adds another twist at the end. When he's being led away for the lobotomy he asks his partner whether it's "better to live as a monster or die a good man." It makes you wonder if he wants the lobotomy and is faking the regression because he doesn't want to live with the memory of what happened to his wife and children.

03-23-2012, 12:04 PM	#19
GA Russell Montreal wins Grey Cup! Posts: 7,583 Karma: 31484197 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	It wasn't evident to me from the book that he gets a lobotomy. Perhaps that's just a movie deal, or did I miss something?

03-23-2012, 12:12 PM	#22
Format C: Guru Posts: 753 Karma: 1496807 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The Third World Device: iLiad + PRS-505 + Kindle 3	Sorry, issybird: missed your post...

03-23-2012, 03:21 PM	#23
odiakkoh Guru Posts: 823 Karma: 1818344 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: iPhone 5s	Darn you guys, I wasn't expecting movie spoilers lol The book was alright. I'm glad I ended up borrowing it from the library rather than buying it. I can't see Leo Dicaprio being a good Teddy though.

03-23-2012, 10:39 PM	#26
GA Russell Montreal wins Grey Cup! Posts: 7,583 Karma: 31484197 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	Sorry orlok! Actually, I don't think I gave away as much as you think I did. By the way, don't look up The New York Trilogy on Wikipedia!

03-24-2012, 09:38 AM	#28
odiakkoh Guru Posts: 823 Karma: 1818344 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: iPhone 5s	So was the lady in the cave was his hallucination right? The doctors didn't have some lady sit there through the storm just for the charade?

03-24-2012, 11:48 PM	#29
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,073 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	I took it that she was an hallucination. BTW, guys, I saw the movie today. I had been avoiding this thread for a couple of days for fear of more movie spoilers. I thought the movie was very faithful to the book, although some clues were left out. DiCaprio did a wonderful job, in my opinion.

03-25-2012, 12:19 AM	#30
GA Russell Montreal wins Grey Cup! Posts: 7,583 Karma: 31484197 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	I re-read the final chapter last night, and although I can see how it fits with a lobotomy ending, I don't think that a reader is dense if he didn't see it that way.

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