Who do you like better?

The Terminator · 04-12-2011, 10:53 PM

The battle Eastwood VS Wayne finally will be solved. I vote for Clint I think he makes a more realistic actor, and come on who else can make a poncho look cool

. So lets get some action and hopefully some full fledged friendly arguments

Mortis · 04-12-2011, 11:08 PM

John Wayne was an ok actor and perhaps if he had lived longer he would have had a chance to do a more diverse set of roles, but because he didn't Clint blows him out of the water.

Clint Eastwood has done so many different roles where John Wayne did the same role in every movie, a little type cast.

GA Russell · 04-13-2011, 12:00 AM

Bruce Dern tells the story of how fairly late in Wayne's career Dern had the part of a man who shot and killed Wayne's character.

Wayne said to him, "You know that you're going to be the most unpopular man in America because you killed John Wayne."

Dern replied, "Yeah, but they'll love me in Berkeley!"

Dern says that Wayne got a kick out of that.

rhadin · 04-13-2011, 05:51 AM

Eastwood could still a heart from beating with his flinty-eyed stare. His westerns are still some of the best westerns ever made (I particularly like Pale Rider). And I have to admit that his speechless characters (or, more accurately, his characters who speak few words yet get the message across) really are tops. I thought the casting in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, and Eli Wallach) was inspired.

MickeyC · 04-13-2011, 08:14 AM

I voted for John Wayne, in part, because he created that sort of character. And, I might as well admit this, I actually got to meet him once when he was filming a movie in Florida and I happened to be there. Very cool!

BenG · 04-13-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortis

John Wayne was an ok actor and perhaps if he had lived longer he would have had a chance to do a more diverse set of roles, but because he didn't Clint blows him out of the water.

He lived to the fairly old age of 72.

desertblues · 04-13-2011, 08:26 AM

I voted for Clint Eastwood, because I loved his film "Million Dollar Baby'. I watched it three times.

Also he makes tomato-ketchup and things.....

Mortis · 04-13-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BenG

He lived to the fairly old age of 72.

I stand corrected, for some reason I thought he was only in his 50's, so that really makes his career more underwhelming

That was a joke, I looked up his early movies that I have never seen, I guess I spoke too soon. I still prefer Clint Eastwood.

From Wikipedia, apparently John Wayne was a little bit of a racist, more likely a product of his age and upbringing. In an interview with Playboy in 71 he said about Native Americans..

I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them if that's what you're asking. Our so called stealing of this country was just a question of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.... Look, I'm sure there have been inequalities. If those inequalities are presently affecting any of the Indians now alive, they have a right to a court hearing. But what happened 100 years ago in our country can't be blamed on us today. I'm quite sure that the concept of a Government-run reservation... seems to be what the socialists are working for now — to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.... What happened between their forefathers and our forefathers is so far back -- right, wrong or indifferent -- that I don't see why we owe them anything. I don't know why the government should give them something that it wouldn't give me.

I thought it was interesting. John Wayne was a mans man and didn't mince words apparently

BenG · 04-13-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GA Russell

Bruce Dern tells the story of how fairly late in Wayne's career Dern had the part of a man who shot and killed Wayne's character.

Wayne said to him, "You know that you're going to be the most unpopular man in America because you killed John Wayne."

Dern replied, "Yeah, but they'll love me in Berkeley!"

Dern says that Wayne got a kick out of that.

The Cowboys was a great movie.

My favorite John Wayne movies:
The Cowboys
True Grit
Rooster Cogburn
The Sons of Katie Elder
McLintock!
Donovan's Reef
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Wings of Eagles
The Searchers
The Quiet Man
3 Godfathers
Red River

Favorite Eastwood:

Gran Torino
Unforgiven
Pale Rider
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Play Misty for Me
Where Eagles Dare
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Coogan's Bluff

beppe · 04-13-2011, 04:52 PM

I voted Eastwood.

But in trying to explain why, I am seeing how difficult it is to compare actors of two different eras. Movie making has changed so much, and so has the general movie taste.

Wayne loses but scores. The walk, the grin, that upward look from the height of his 1.93.

Eastwood wins all the other rounds including the way he drinks, from shots, mugs, can, anything. He reinvented speaking through a cheroot.

And the body? In the bridges he washes himself under the meditative eyes of Streep behind the curtain, and he is already what? 65.

He can even play love scenes. The best ones are the ones with his gorilla in the two masterpieces of every which way. Seriously, Eastwood knows how to act man against destiny and other adverse forces. I think in a million dollar baby he was just monumental.

An upward drift started with Honkytonk Man

"This is a sweet, whimsical, low-key movie, a movie that makes you feel good without pressing you too hard. It provides Eastwood with a screen character who is the complete opposite of the patented Eastwood tough guys, ..." That was Roger Ebert.

Of course, none of them are real actors, but just movie stars.

wodin · 04-13-2011, 05:00 PM

I didn't vote, in Clint's early spaghetti western days he really sucked as an actor and John easily blew him out of the water. Clint must have invested some of his returns in acting lessons because in later years he developed into a pretty good actor and director. So it would depend on when in their respective careers we’re talking about.

The Terminator · 04-13-2011, 08:41 PM

John Wayne couldn't play serious, offended drunk things like that as good as Eastwood. Eastwood can play a really serious guy Wayne couldn't quite capture that as good. I like the part in "A Fist Full Of Dollars" with the offended donkey

Billjr13 · 04-14-2011, 06:54 PM

Interesting side note Wayne lobbied to play the role of Dirty Harry but MGM thought he was too old (and I think they were right). The Duke is cool but he will always be a cowboy to me and thats ok. Clint has been successfull in many roles and he had the .44 magnum to "Make my Day."

The Terminator · 04-17-2011, 07:08 PM

Well Clint is leading

Mortis · 04-17-2011, 11:12 PM

So John Wayne is coming up in the rear?

That sounds so bad when we're not talking about a horse race!

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John Wayne	7	14.00%
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04-12-2011, 10:53 PM	#1
The Terminator Retired Posts: 2,552 Karma: 37638420 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver Island Canada Device: Kobo Touch, Optimus One (2.3), Nexus 7 (4.2)	Who do you like better? The battle Eastwood VS Wayne finally will be solved. I vote for Clint I think he makes a more realistic actor, and come on who else can make a poncho look cool . So lets get some action and hopefully some full fledged friendly arguments Last edited by The Terminator; 04-12-2011 at 10:56 PM.

04-12-2011, 11:08 PM	#2
Mortis Canucklehead in Malaysia Posts: 1,633 Karma: 3127774 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Device: iPhone, Kindle	John Wayne was an ok actor and perhaps if he had lived longer he would have had a chance to do a more diverse set of roles, but because he didn't Clint blows him out of the water. Clint Eastwood has done so many different roles where John Wayne did the same role in every movie, a little type cast.

04-13-2011, 12:00 AM	#3
GA Russell Montreal wins Grey Cup! Posts: 7,583 Karma: 31484197 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	Bruce Dern tells the story of how fairly late in Wayne's career Dern had the part of a man who shot and killed Wayne's character. Wayne said to him, "You know that you're going to be the most unpopular man in America because you killed John Wayne." Dern replied, "Yeah, but they'll love me in Berkeley!" Dern says that Wayne got a kick out of that.

04-13-2011, 05:51 AM	#4
rhadin Literacy = Understanding Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet	Eastwood could still a heart from beating with his flinty-eyed stare. His westerns are still some of the best westerns ever made (I particularly like Pale Rider). And I have to admit that his speechless characters (or, more accurately, his characters who speak few words yet get the message across) really are tops. I thought the casting in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef, and Eli Wallach) was inspired.

04-13-2011, 08:14 AM	#5
MickeyC Grand Sorcerer Posts: 16,732 Karma: 12185114 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Device: iPhone 6 plus, Sony T1, iPad 3	I voted for John Wayne, in part, because he created that sort of character. And, I might as well admit this, I actually got to meet him once when he was filming a movie in Florida and I happened to be there. Very cool!

04-13-2011, 08:26 AM	#7
desertblues Home for the moment Posts: 5,127 Karma: 27718936 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: travelling Device: various	I voted for Clint Eastwood, because I loved his film "Million Dollar Baby'. I watched it three times. Also he makes tomato-ketchup and things.....

04-13-2011, 04:52 PM	#10
beppe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,161 Karma: 81026524 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Italy Device: Kindle3, Ipod4, IPad2	I voted Eastwood. But in trying to explain why, I am seeing how difficult it is to compare actors of two different eras. Movie making has changed so much, and so has the general movie taste. Wayne loses but scores. The walk, the grin, that upward look from the height of his 1.93. Eastwood wins all the other rounds including the way he drinks, from shots, mugs, can, anything. He reinvented speaking through a cheroot. And the body? In the bridges he washes himself under the meditative eyes of Streep behind the curtain, and he is already what? 65. He can even play love scenes. The best ones are the ones with his gorilla in the two masterpieces of every which way. Seriously, Eastwood knows how to act man against destiny and other adverse forces. I think in a million dollar baby he was just monumental. An upward drift started with Honkytonk Man "This is a sweet, whimsical, low-key movie, a movie that makes you feel good without pressing you too hard. It provides Eastwood with a screen character who is the complete opposite of the patented Eastwood tough guys, ..." That was Roger Ebert. Of course, none of them are real actors, but just movie stars.

04-13-2011, 05:00 PM	#11
wodin Illiterate Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro	I didn't vote, in Clint's early spaghetti western days he really sucked as an actor and John easily blew him out of the water. Clint must have invested some of his returns in acting lessons because in later years he developed into a pretty good actor and director. So it would depend on when in their respective careers we’re talking about.

04-13-2011, 08:41 PM	#12
The Terminator Retired Posts: 2,552 Karma: 37638420 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver Island Canada Device: Kobo Touch, Optimus One (2.3), Nexus 7 (4.2)	John Wayne couldn't play serious, offended drunk things like that as good as Eastwood. Eastwood can play a really serious guy Wayne couldn't quite capture that as good. I like the part in "A Fist Full Of Dollars" with the offended donkey

04-14-2011, 06:54 PM	#13
Billjr13 Addict Posts: 357 Karma: 550002 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Colorado Device: Sony PRS 700 & 650	Interesting side note Wayne lobbied to play the role of Dirty Harry but MGM thought he was too old (and I think they were right). The Duke is cool but he will always be a cowboy to me and thats ok. Clint has been successfull in many roles and he had the .44 magnum to "Make my Day."

04-17-2011, 07:08 PM	#14
The Terminator Retired Posts: 2,552 Karma: 37638420 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vancouver Island Canada Device: Kobo Touch, Optimus One (2.3), Nexus 7 (4.2)	Well Clint is leading

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04-17-2011, 11:12 PM	#15
Mortis Canucklehead in Malaysia Posts: 1,633 Karma: 3127774 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Device: iPhone, Kindle	So John Wayne is coming up in the rear? That sounds so bad when we're not talking about a horse race!