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That's completely different to sexist comments in editorials (such as "Barbie is the ideal woman", or whatever it was). That just plain wrong, and complaints about it are absolutely justified. The SFWA needs to take action over such things. But that's different to saying that a fantasy painting of "Red Sonja" is degrading to women: it's no more degrading than a Harlequin romance is degrading to men. It's not real. It's fantasy. |
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06-07-2013, 08:16 AM | #77 |
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One doesn't get a "get out of sexism free" card by just saying it's fantasy.
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I see no protests about Harlequin and their degrading depiction of men as objects of sexual exploitation. The romance/erotica genre sells way, way more books than SF/Fantasy, and it's pretty much all depicting men in a sexually-exploitative manner. As I said, I see no harm whatsoever in such escapist fantasy. Are you suggesting that it's wrong for readers to enjoy such books, or for authors to write them?
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Harry, interesting as the discussion as to why that difference exists probably would be (and I also have wondered about it often), I'm not sure MR is the place for it...
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There is more protest about sexism towards women because women are by a vast amount the major victims of sexism in our society. But to continue this discussion I think I would need to get into subjects that are not appropriate outside the P&R forum, so I won't be responding again in this thread. |
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I'll start a new thread in P&R to continue the discussion. You're right - it's more appropriate there.
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I've created a thread in P&R for those who'd like to continue this interesting discussion there.
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Since I've seen you post numerous times around the forums on various topics, I know you like to dissect arguments and I don't think you are really trying to say there is no issue here because "everyone does it." It's just coming across that way because it's a side point. FWIW. |
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EDIT: Now that's weird. Why has the system attributed that quote to "pdurrant"? |
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Now as for the covers, that's a bit of a different story. And I do find many of those covers insulting, degrading and outright stupid. But, again, just because it happens in romance and other genres doesn't mean it should happen in Sci/fi or anywhere else. |
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06-07-2013, 01:54 PM | #87 |
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What is offensive is "lady editor". In the 80's I was once introduced by a superior (at least 5 grade levels above me and 40 years older) as a "girl engineer" to a large audience. With humor I quickly corrected him and commenced with my presentation.
I'm appalled but not surprised that almost 30 years later not much has changed. |
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Whether it's sexist or not, I might still avoid SFWA because of the cover because it manages to be both juvenile and amateurish; it's like something a kid in junior high would scribble on the cover of their Trapper Keeper during math class. The fact that SFWA employs people with incredibly backward-looking views for a publication supposedly aimed at forward-looking stories would definitely keep me away.
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An eye-opener. If it is run by myopic and arrogant people, does it mean the SFWA is damaging to the genre?
BTW the cover is irrelevant and tame. |
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