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Old 02-04-2016, 08:49 AM   #421
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Wieso nur höre ich gerade die Stimme des bestimmt seligen Herrn Gernhardt?

Wunderbar.

Im übrigen kann ich das wenigstens auszugsweise Studium (wir wollen doch ehrlich sein) von Theodor Mommsens römischer Geschichte, diesem Klassiker der Geschichtswissenschaft im deutschen Sprachraum, nur wärmstens empfehlen. Mag auch manches heute anders erforscht sein.
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Old 02-04-2016, 12:40 PM   #422
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Hallo Spinni,

Theodor Mommsens römische Geschichte, diesen Klassiker der Geschichtswissenschaft im deutschen Sprachraum, hier einzustellen wäre genau der richtige Job für dich, da der Text ja auf GB.DE bereits vorliegt. Mit solchen kleinen Umsetzungen hab ich auch mal angefangen.

Trau dich!

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Hi hi, ich habe den Namen Mommsen ursprünglich nicht ernst genommen, da ich ihn nur aus der Filmklamotte "Pepe, der Paukerschreck" kannte.
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Hallo Mmat1.

Danke für die Übersetzungen. Sie sind sehr sehr bewundernswert.

Überleg mal, eine etwa noch längere englische Erzählung zu übersetzen. Ich empfehle Henry James, seine Sprache ist wirklich eine Doppelherausforderung, sowohl für unsere englischen Kenntnisse als auch für unsere eigenen Sprachen (Wie man sie in eigene Sprachen exakt und elegant überträgt).
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Old 02-10-2016, 01:14 PM   #425
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Hallo Mmat1.

Danke für die Übersetzungen. Sie sind sehr sehr bewundernswert.

Überleg mal, eine etwa noch längere englische Erzählung zu übersetzen. Ich empfehle Henry James, seine Sprache ist wirklich eine Doppelherausforderung, sowohl für unsere englischen Kenntnisse als auch für unsere eigenen Sprachen (Wie man sie in eigene Sprachen exakt und elegant überträgt).
Hi Spinni,

das siehst du ganz richtig, das Verständnis des Textes ist meistens garnichtmal so schwer (Es gibt ja Wörterbücher ). Die Formulierung in eigener Sprache um eine gute und flüssige Lesbarkeit zu erzielen - ohne dabei von den Intentionen des Autors allzuweit abzuweichen - ist m. E. die eigentliche Herausforderung. Es ist immer gut, wenn man jemanden hat, der nochmal kritisch drüberguckt - keiner meiner Texte wurde ohne diese Hilfestellung veröffentlicht!

Was einen längeren Text betrifft, ich hab da schon das eine oder andere ins Auge gefasst, aber ich fürchte, es steht nicht Henry James drüber. Kenn ich nicht ... (Pynch bleib ruhig ...). Mehr wird nicht verraten (falls das Projekt wegen aufkeimender Unlust im Sande verläuft).

Schaun wir mal ...
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"The Wings of the Doves" hat noch keine deutsche Übersetzung. Vielleicht wird jemand unter uns in der Zukunft diese Aufgabe übernehmen.
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Old 02-11-2016, 08:36 AM   #427
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Tut mir Leid, Spinni, aber das ist eine Arbeit, für die ein professioneller Übersetzer anständig (hahaha) bezahlt gehört. Dieses Jahr ist auch James' hundertster Todestag; da bringen Verlage gern auch mal Neuübersetzungen (oder auch alte Übersetzungen neu) heraus. Vielleicht ja auch die Taubenflügelchen.
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Und außerdem:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...=t&tn=fl%FCgel
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:08 AM   #429
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Das Buch scheint vergriffen zu sein. Wieso kann man nicht den Namen des Übersetzers finden?

Herr Double, die erste Bedingung (die Professionalität) hat du eigentlich schon erfüllt. Du brauchst nur die zweite Bedingung (Bezahlung von einem Verlag), um einen langen und sprachlichen anspruchvollen Roman zu übersetzen.
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Dank der Gesamtausgabe von Pynch kann ich so schöne prosaische Texte genießen. Bald werde ich "the Ambassador" und "The Golden Bowl" lesen.
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Das Buch scheint vergriffen zu sein.
Klar ist das Buch vergriffen. Deshalb habe ich ja für dich bei Abebooks geschaut. Aber du bist doch im großen Wien - es würde mich sehr wundern, wenn das da nicht in irgendeiner Bibliothek rumsteht.
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Das Buch habe ich von Pynchs Gesamtausgabe gelesen. Es gefällt mir, obwohl die Sprache sehr anspruchvoll ist. Ich bin deswegen neugierig, wie man diese Texte in deutsche Sprache überträgt. Ich werde später das suchen.

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Klar ist das Buch vergriffen. Deshalb habe ich ja für dich bei Abebooks geschaut. Aber du bist doch im großen Wien - es würde mich sehr wundern, wenn das da nicht in irgendeiner Bibliothek rumsteht.
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Hi Spinni,

Es gibt nix gute, ausser man tut es (selbst...)

Ich sehe Autoren, die sich einer komplizierten Sprache bedienen oder mit fremdländischen Zitaten (insbesondere Griechisch und Latein) um sich werfen, wie wenns die im Dutzend billiger gäb, immer mit einer erheblichen Portion von Skepsis.

Ey, die kochen doch auch nur mit Wasser. Was macht diese Bücher besser, als die Werke anderer Autoren, die nicht so tief in die Trickkiste greifen ???

Diese Frage beschäftigt mich schon seit längerem, aber um sie zu beantworten, müsste ich das ja lesen .....
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Ey, die kochen doch auch nur mit Wasser. Was macht diese Bücher besser, als die Werke anderer Autoren, die nicht so tief in die Trickkiste greifen ???
Stimmt, Henry James kochte auch nur mit Wasser, allerdings mit Rosenwasser:

“Please tell me what you find in Henry James. ...we have his works here, and I read, and I can't find anything but faintly tinged rose water, urbane and sleek, but vulgar and pale as Walter Lamb. Is there really any sense in it?” Virginia Woolf in a letter to Lytton Strachey, Octobre 22, 1915.
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In Bezug auf den Wortschatz ist Henry James schon bescheiden. Im Vergleich mit Autoren wie Herman Melville versucht er nicht die Worte immer zu variieren oder seltene Worte zu benutzen. Außerdem sieht man auch wenige fremdsprachliche Sätze in seinen Werken, ein paar kurze französische Sätze zum Beispiel, aber fast nichts im Vergleich mit dem Zauberberg, in den Thomas Mann eine große Menge französische Dialoge einführt. Aber die Satzstruktur von Henry James ist etwas anderes, solche lange Sätze mit "no more than" oder "less than" macht mir Kopfschmerzen.
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