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I agree that OS shouldn't be the main consideration in the what-computer-to-buy decision. Yes, what applications she needs should be the main determination in general. But as a starting college student, at a college where both PCs and Macs are commonly used, application availability probably won't be as important as hardware affordability.
So I agree in general and in the long run, she'd probably be happy with a new PC laptop. Starting when I opened this thread, she'd been saying she wanted a Mac so I went with that, without really considering cost and all associated implications much. So I'm glad Harry raised and re-raised this issue and that we're discussing it now. She is reading this thread, thinking about computers, tablets, and software, and asking questions on phone and in email. I want her to make her own decisions about hardware, OS, and applications, rather than buy a Mac merely because Uncle Unboggling likes his Mac and she's frustrated with her Mom's old desktop PC. Last edited by unboggling; 06-15-2012 at 11:42 AM. |
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I've been doing a little more looking around. Yeah, I see what HarryT and hrosvit mean about the variety of PC laptops, lower entry and mid-level price-points for PCs (in addition to available high performance machines), and not really needing a high-end hardware platform for general student use.
And it is kind of sad that Apple doesn't offer laptops at entry-level and mid-level capability prices. I guess if I were raking in all that cash from iPhone and iPad sales, I wouldn't want to bother competing there either. Sorry I've been a sort of high-performance snob. Last edited by unboggling; 07-06-2012 at 02:05 PM. Reason: strike outs |
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Here is a list of applications people mentioned in this thread, for computer, iPad, or iPhone. And a few I added.
Mac OS X (no Windows version): -- iWork, $79.00, productivity suite, includes Pages, Numbers, Keynote. Or these can be purchased separately through Apple's App Store at $19.95 each for direct download to Mac. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB942/iWork-09 -- VMware Fusion, $49.99, emulation, to run Windows applications on Mac. (Different vmWare products are available for Windows and Linux platforms.) As an emulation it may run slower than a solution such as Bootcamp with Windows. But it allows running Mac and PC applications simultaneously. http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/overview.html -- Bootcamp, free, comes with new Mac, allows installation of separately purchased Windows operating system (Windows XP, Vista, or 7) in a separate partition. This is not a Windows emulation so it's probably faster than emulators such as VMware Fusion. With this solution, switching from one OS to the other requires shutting down, choosing the other OS, then restarting. Windows and Mac applications cannot be run simultaneously. -- Chronicle, $14.95 from application site, or $9.99 from Mac App Store. Financial, bill management. Application site: http://www.chronicleapp.com/ Mac OS X (also available in Windows version): -- Open Office, free, productivity suite. http://www.openoffice.org/product/index.html -- Microsoft Office for Mac Home & Student 2011, $149.99, productivity suite. Includes Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Outlook. Note that iWork or Open Office provide most of the same functionality (other than eMail) cheaper or free. I was wrong when I previously said Outlook (eMail) doesn't come with MS Office for Mac. http://www.microsoft.com/mac -- ESET Cybersecurity for Mac, $59.99 for 2 years. I like this much better than Norton. Had trouble with Norton, never with ESET. Includes antivirus and anti-spyware protection. http://go.eset.com/us/store/ -- Free antivirus software. I've noticed that the free ones may be partial protection, often with more comprehensive packages also sold by the same company. I haven't used these or researched them in detail. Mentions were: iAntivirus (Mac only), Avast, and Sophos. -- Evernote, free, notes and projects. http://evernote.com/ -- Calibre, free (donate), eBook management and conversion. Includes eBook reader for ePub formats, which also translates various other formats into ePub for viewing purposes. Calibre can also convert between various formats. http://www.calibre-ebook.com -- Acrobat X Pro Student and Teacher Edition for Mac, $119. The student edition is much cheaper than the non-student edition, if you want or need an application to edit PDF format documents or books, where those PDFs are not locked against editing. Available $111.99 at Amazon (on DVD). Adobe: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobatpro.edu.html Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Acrobat-...+x+pro+for+mac -- Adobe Reader X, free, PDF reader. http://get.adobe.com/reader/ -- Adobe Digital Editions, free, ePub format eBook reader also good for reading ePub eBooks borrowed from a library. http://www.adobe.com/ap/products/digitaleditions/ -- Kindle for Mac, free, Amazon formats reader (azw, azw3, azw4, Mobi). http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000493771 -- Kindle Previewer, free, Mobi format eBook reader, Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=1000765261 iPad or iPhone: -- Evernote, free, notes and projects. http://evernote.com/ -- Kindle for iPad/iPhone, free, Amazon formats reader (azw, azw3, azw4, Mobi). http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000493771 -- BlueFire Reader, free, ePub and PDF format eBook reader, iTunes store. -- MegaReader, $1.99, ePub format eBook reader, iTunes store. -- GoodReader, $4.99, robust PDF format eBook reader, iTunes store. -- Pages, Numbers, & Keynote, $9.99 each, iTunes store. Multi-platform, Various Computers and Devices: -- Cloud storage, syncing, file hosting, backup services. Many venders offer 3 to 5 GB of free storage space, and some have various syncing options. As one possible example, the user could keep music files in the cloud, then listen to a tune by streaming it direct from cloud to mobile device, without having to actually store it on the mobile device. There are many venders, many associated applications. For more information and comparison charts, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_storage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ation_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...sting_services http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ackup_services -- Some specific examples of above: Dropbox, SugarSync, Amazon Cloud, iCloud, Mozy, CrashPlan. Last edited by unboggling; 06-20-2012 at 02:00 AM. Reason: Additions. |
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Could anyone recommend good security software for iPhone or iPad? Is it even necessary?
Edit: Per discussion on Apple site, there are no viruses affecting IOS devices. Yet. So there are no antivirus apps for IOS devices. They recommend using "safe" web practices. Why do I have a bad feeling about this? Interesting article re security for iPad: http://www.esecurityplanet.com/trend...d-Security.htm Re security apps for Mac, I just noticed that iAntivirus is free. Last edited by unboggling; 06-17-2012 at 11:29 PM. |
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Maybe that was already answered in the thread, but what is your niece majoring in?
Some background information on myself: I still have a soft spot for Apple computers, since I was working throughout the beginning of my study years (88 - 92'ish) on Macs because I was earning my money with graphic design (Desktop publishing), which was at that time non-existant on any other platform. However, as time proceeded, I changed to the Windows camp. While I understand that Apple computers are way cooler than PC machines for a young lady, I would respectfully suggest that she is unlikely to encounter Macintosh computers in the workplace, unless she works in video editing, photography, media or graphic design or some similarly "artistic" domain. The "standard office workplace" normally consists of some Windows PC (OK, it also might be different in an architect/doctor/musicians office, but not in a "normal" office) unless I am very much mistaken. Considering that computer literacy is to a part also the familiarity with the computer (to be precise: Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Webbrowser) for everyday work, I guess a PC might be the more logical solution (but not as cool as the Mac, of course). Best regards, Andy |
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That's an excellent point, Andy.
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I'm not saying IOS devices are insecure, or that they're safe. I read elsewhere that they're safer than Android or Windows based devices. I raised the issue here because a conscientious student might wonder about it, while pondering budget for necessary and useful software purchases. I think awareness of the environment in terms of potential security risks is a good survival habit, whether with computers and devices, or in real life.
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Regarding security on computer, I wouldn't want to risk running without comprehensive and frequently-updating antivirus and anti-spyware protection. I use that along with an OS X based firewall, behind good security on my wireless router. There are security threats aimed at OS X, though there seem to be less of them than for Windows.
With Dropbox (or equivalent), the files that reside in the Dropbox folder on my computer have been virus scanned, so syncing to the file hosting/syncing server and mobile devices doesn't offend my sense of security. iOS devices are different, but with those I try to funnel most email and downloads through the computer (and its protection) before transferring to device. To me that's safe. I don't have to trust security precautions of outside companies or servers, or even Apple's walls between apps on iOS devices. I make exceptions sometimes, doing email with attachments or downloads direct to devices, but I keep in mind that doing so is less safe. I also try to limit surfing on iOS devices to known safe sites. Even if there is not yet any malware that affects iOS devices directly -- which I don't know is true -- that doesn't mean iOS devices cannot be the recipients and transmitters of malware back to the computer, Windows or OS X, bypassing firewalls on the computer and local network. Last edited by unboggling; 07-06-2012 at 02:02 PM. Reason: strikeout |
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