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On the subject of topics 'not for discussion'. It's generally accepted as the rule in a military mess that Religion, Ladies and Politics are not matters for discussion.
To which my response has always been, "Amen, Madam President." |
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I didn't wander too much in the conservatory, yet I can't stop feeling a little bit of unfairness in this situation. I think maybe no off-topic boards would be the best solution then. No one would feel excluded or vilified, therefore there would be no complaints. No "sides". This is all about eBooks, eReaders and reading in general, right?
Anyway, this is Alex's forum, so he has the ultimate word. We are just guests, it would be rude to keep complaining to the host, right? Last edited by Over; 05-07-2009 at 04:42 PM. |
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Hey, I cannot believe we are still arguing about this. It's not like all hell broke loose or Alex tried to fundamentally change the direction of this community. He only judged that MobileRead doesn't need two off-topic sections. That's all. Seriously, think about it!
Let's sit back and give it a quiet moment of *ooooooooooooooooooohm*. |
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Every message board I belong to has some sort of "off topic" area (some have multiple). People are social and sometimes just want to chat about things other than the thing that brought them together. If you want to see a many threads get way off topic, take away the "off topic" area. It won't be pretty.
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05-07-2009, 04:56 PM | #89 |
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Ea: You are an intelligent user and I've appreciated many of your posts but I strongly disagree with what you are saying in this thread. I can appreciate your feeling hurt but I think it comes down to some misinterpretations.
First, this forum is not -public- in the sense that it is an open democracy. It can certainly feel that way given the degree that Alex (and mods) acts on concerns by the users. But in the end it is still a privately owned forum, and privately run. I have only been a member for little over a year. I believe the forum was, in a much less developed form, created over 7 years ago. Every time I look at the forum I see Alex working to advance it with concerns of the user base, by way of their suggestions and comments. When possible he'll leave decisions to an open discussion. I have never seen a forum with more user input into its development then MobileRead. Recall that Alex was against the creation of the Conservatory or separation of threads from the Lounge. It was only because of the concerns of the users that he decided to create it in the first place. As to why no open discussion was formed prior to the discussion, I think that he was placed into a situation where the benefits did not outweigh the stress he was under from users and moderators. If, as the administrator and owner, Alex was presented with a situation such as the CHAT box was eating up 90% of the server's processor time we wouldn't question him for doing away with it. Instead of the server, I think what is being said here is that Alex's time was being eaten up over issues caused in the Conservatory. I have been on BBS's and some form of 'forum' for over 20 years now. Each of these communities certainly exists because of the exchange of information by its users. However there is always a line, always, where it is no longer the community's decision and it becomes that of the owner/administrator/sysop. I think the problem here is that Alex gives users unprecedented levels of freedom and control over the forum and when he does have to make an executive decision it feels completely out of place. Looking at this from what I perceive as his angle, there was no discussion to be made. It was more trouble than it was worth to him, more people would be upset by its staying then by its leaving. I'm not posting this because of my opposition to the Conservatory, I made my concerns known from day one. But I don't run things and said it didn't make any difference to me, and if you think I'm just saying that for purposes of this discussion this is a quote from the fourth day I was a member here, "Then by all means delete/lock the thread. It's not my forum. I say this with no malice, just statement of fact." It is a concept people need to grasp about forums and websites they access, no matter how emotionally attached they are to them. When the bill comes for hosting the forum, they go to Alex (unless I am at all mistaken as to the hierarchy on the system ). If the forum receives a DMCA it is aimed at Alex, not me or you. If a lawsuit was brought against the forum, it is brought against Alex, not "MobileRead", not HarryT, Zelda, or MtravellerH. As much as my posts, Ea's, Patricia's, et al.'s make up MobileRead in the end the final definition of MobileRead in the great encyclopedia of Life, the Universe and Everything is, "A forum owned and administrated by Alexander Turcic". I have privately stated and will now make it public that I think Alex, in trying to be diplomatic and create a great community, is -too- mute an administrator and sometimes needs to take a more active and authoritative role. If you want a free-for-all community on the web, go to 4chan. I think we have a great forum but people need to accept that in the end it is his forum to run how he sees fit, even though he pulls up the bootstraps on VERY rare occasion. I'd like to point out that even I know how much this sounds like brown-nosing, and in fact most things I say in regards to Alex sound that way. I like the guy, I think he does a great job running things and having my own experiences in these arenas I feel akin to him when situations such as these come up so if people cannot understand my motivation in defending him I REALLY could not care less. I also did not mean for the above to belittle the actions and importance of all the wonderful (and not-so-wonderful ) moderators we have on the forum, but like I said in the end if MobileRead was guilty of some crime, Alex is he who would be arrested. -MJ |
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i am far from a prude as several ex-wives will tell you and i had issues with the conservatory, the general topics were the normal cannon fodder of many sites on the net, far removed from e-books and that is fine, the discussions were not mobileread like discussions, they were, at times, nasty and polarizing, as a debating society it had a lot to learn, if it had been my first look at mobileread i never would have joined
people were ignored, insulted, their motives questioned, their morals atacked, and all this in the name of open honest discussion, some of the jokes, when allowed, were tasteless and those that did not like them were hounded, good arguments were ignored in favor of louder screams by brain dead nit-wits that thought their recent post would change the world to their own narrow view of it i voiced my upset through a public post in the conservatory that did not make the transisition to the lounge as it is no longer viable, Alex and Zelda both sent me letters about it, each of us votes every day where to spend our on-line time, the conservatory made it harder and harder to vote for mobileread, the pit viper mentality of the place was spilling over into other sections of the site, some earlier poster suggested that it was the new bunch of euro posters with their anti-us views that were the cause, they might just as well have named peru, canada or california i applaud Alex for his stance, the marketing people would say it didn't fit into the mobileread marketing mix, it should be cast off, i am glad to see it go |
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