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Old 05-28-2012, 04:21 PM   #31
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Or just ignorant. Like everyone in the EU and USA who has ever sang "Happy Birthday to You" in public without paying for a public performance licence.

Pirates, every last one of them.

(Yes, that song is indeed in copyright)
Yup, Applebee's is in real trouble.
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:30 PM   #32
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Yup, Applebee's is in real trouble.
I believe they sing a similar but different song, specifically so they don't get sued
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:50 PM   #33
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The term was used in the original version of the International Berne Copyright Convention in 1886.
Really? I had no idea.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:56 PM   #34
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Whenever I power-up my scanner I look around nervously for Daleks and seem to hear metallic voices coming up the corridor chanting "destroy them, destroy all pirates!"
Even though I'm only planning to scan the electric bill.
Have I contracted antipiratephobia?
I wonder why that is?
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:53 AM   #35
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Really? I had no idea.
Yes, one of the articles of the Berne Convention requires signatory members to seize and destroy counterfeit and pirated goods at their borders.
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Regardless of the definition of piracy, I think in some (and even most), circumstances it is perfectly ethical and justified. I have no issue downloading a film if I already saw it at the cinema. And if I already have the paperback and want to read the book on my kindle I'm going to "pirate" it and download it off the net. This maybe technically illegal but it is a victimless crime.
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:32 AM   #37
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You do realise that the use of the word "piracy" to refer to the unauthorised copying of literary works dates back over 400 years? It certainly isn't a modern coinage.
Thus suggesting that spin doctoring (come lobbying) may be the world's third oldest profession.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:47 AM   #38
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Regardless of the definition of piracy, I think in some (and even most), circumstances it is perfectly ethical and justified. I have no issue downloading a film if I already saw it at the cinema. And if I already have the paperback and want to read the book on my kindle I'm going to "pirate" it and download it off the net. This maybe technically illegal but it is a victimless crime.
It's only "victimless" in your own mind. Does seeing a film at the cinema entitle you to a free DVD? If not, why do you believe it's justifiable to illegally download it?
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So if I purchase a epub version of a book when a mobi version for my kindle is not available and convert it to mobi to read am I a pirate.

I am about to be in this boat as I just can not find anything but epub versions of 6 books I want to buy and the only thing I read on is my kindle.

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Old 05-29-2012, 10:25 AM   #40
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It's only "victimless" in your own mind. Does seeing a film at the cinema entitle you to a free DVD? If not, why do you believe it's justifiable to illegally download it?
I have to agree here about the film. When you pay to see the movie in a theater, you don't get to keep it for repeat viewing.

However, I recently bought three used VHS tapes of movies not available on DVD, copied two of them to DVD for my own use, then my VCR stopped working. I found an online copy of the third film (not a torrent, BTW) and downloaded it. It had been recorded from a TV broadcast.

Am I supposed to feel guilty? Who got victimized here?
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #41
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An interesting Slashdot article and the comments addresses why people pirate the tv series Game of Thrones. The comments are interesting.

The TorrentFreak article and comments on the same subject are supposed to also be interesting (unless that's just the same thing as the slashdot discussion) but aparently my ISP blocks that site: when I go to it, all I get is garbage on my screen.
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It's only "victimless" in your own mind. Does seeing a film at the cinema entitle you to a free DVD? If not, why do you believe it's justifiable to illegally download it?
Sure its victimless in that he does not personally know any victims.


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Am I supposed to feel guilty? Who got victimized here?
Exactly like the way Disney use their vault system. Periodically re-release movies for a short time then lock them away again. Too bad if you miss out, there is always a next time at a higher price.

Keeps those DVD/Blu-ray prices nice and high.

In reality they are contributing towards what they complain most about.
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However, I recently bought three used VHS tapes of movies not available on DVD, copied two of them to DVD for my own use, then my VCR stopped working. I found an online copy of the third film (not a torrent, BTW) and downloaded it. It had been recorded from a TV broadcast.
I'm curious why you specified that the online copy you downloaded was not a torrent. What does the download method matter?
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