08-22-2012, 06:55 PM | #136 |
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I actually have a hard time with the gore-slasher genre as well, because it also tends towards a dehumanization of the victim in a way that, say, The Shining did not. At least The Shining presented the victims of terror as people rather than bags of meat, ripped apart for the viewer's delight.
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08-23-2012, 09:12 AM | #138 | |
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When used to restrict content to minors, I suppose that's as workable a system as any. Not sure how much good it does to adults, but that's because I believe all adults can and should decide for themselves what is acceptable. |
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08-26-2012, 03:51 PM | #139 |
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Ran across this in the news today and thought it was relevant to the discussion over whether or not erotic literature affects sexual behavior.
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/l...rned-1-4857055 Disregarding the question of censorship and banning or burning books, which I do not support, I thought the relevant quote to our discussion was the sexual aid retailer who noted (at the end of the article) the increase in sales of blindfolds, restraints, whips & crops, etc. This seems to be a pretty fair bit of anecdotal support for the idea that sexual literature affects people's sexual behavior. |
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Does it? It could be that if those customers were already sexually experimentive, they were merely introduced to new toys to support an existing habit. For those people, I'd say their behavior was not changed, any more than the person who learned a new word from reading a book and started using it himself had changed their behavior.
Not to mention the fact that buying the toys doesn't mean that they'll be used. The partner could easily refuse to participate, and that's a lot of blindfolds, whips and such in the trash. Anyway, that's a devil's advocate argument, take it as you like. |
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Jane read <book> and did <action> so book influenced her. vs Jane read <book> and did <action> but she would have anyways. That can never be resolved in the SPECIFIC case like that. In the general case if <book> comes out promoting <stuff> and suddenly <stuff> is more popular for a non-trivial sample, then it is reasonable to state that <book> influenced the population with regard to <stuff>. That is the basic premise behind this kind of research. |
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Im with Steven on that, because there's always the subjective factor of how high the libido and wish to try things and new ways of playing in a person is.
What's if $_book's only "achievement" is to drag something out of taboo into open discussion? When both parts come to conclusion "always wanted to try out but never knew if I'd alienate you with the idea?" then you can hardly speak about influence because the wishes predate the book. But even putting this aside. What's wrong with books widening someones perspective on a topic? Should it be wrong just because the topic is sexuality? Why should be a book teaching values of honor, honesty etc. be "good" but one showing how to better enjoy ones own and the partners sexual actions and how to deliver more intensive sexual enjoyment to said partner be "evil"? I truly hope it's not the intended goal. Ignorance and misinformation about sexual matters has already created a lot of pain in the past. E.g. people were told by self-proclaimed "sexperts" that disabled, minors or women (in historically reverse chronological order) have no own sexuality at all. They have been told that plethora of natural behaviour is "ill" "bad" or "unhealthy". All this with disastrous consequences to mental health or plain well-being of them. Sexuality is an integral part of us. Keeping people dumbed down about it certainly doesn't no good to them. |
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I never said anything was bad, I just said it had an influence. Seems that you keep looking for it to be bad?
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Steven responded to djulian because he submitted said link. What I aimed at is the general idea of influence and that especially sexual topics should be filtered. |
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I think using a new word qualifies as changed behavior. If doing something new doesn't qualify as a change in behavior, I don't know what does.
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And I agree with Freeshadow that bringing a subject out into open discussion is always a good thing. |
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To summarize...
I think that pretty much everyone on this thread is against government censorship, but would like to be able to control filtering at the personal level. Whether it is sex, violence, religion or my little pony, mature adults should be able make a decision for themselves and their children. I am personally fully convinced that what you read impacts you (negative and positive) and gave several posts with supporting evidence (Advertising, Propaganda, etc) and some disagree on that. That is fine, not going to debate in circles on that one. |
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Oh yeah?!? Well... I...
er, uh... that is... m-yeh, okay. (Mmm... maybe I'll head over to the "all writers need editors" thread...) |
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Shops that sell photography books, postcards and magazines and also camera equipment, notice that people who buy the magazines often come back to buy a camera later. Comic book stores also sell figurines, plastic "blaster" guns, masks and capes. That doesn't mean the readers are trying to become superheroes. Shall we ban murder mysteries, or remove them from public searches in ebook stores, because some Sherlock Holmes fans buy pipes, hats and trenchcoats? |
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When I was a young girl, my mother objected to my reading so many mysteries, because she was afraid it would affect my view of humanity.
It did. At 62, I still have the unreasonable sense that justice will always happen, in some form or another. |
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