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Old 04-14-2013, 10:46 AM   #136
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The complains come from the paradigm shift. If you are working on the Desktop mode and want to open a new desktop app, it is now more convoluted (without putting back the start button) than it used to be.
its not more convoluted. mouse to the lower left corner. left click(opens start screen) mouse to the program you want to have open left click it. if its not pinned (top hierarchy) then right click open "all apps" and then left click the one you want.

its the exact same steps as before excepting right click for all apps instead of left clicking all programs and you dont need to do that if you dont want to . you can just start typing the name of what you want after the first left click. then click when it pops up
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:50 AM   #137
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For what it's worth, while I was having problems with my WinXP laptop, it was still working. However, I was hearing some of the advance issues with Win8 a couple of months before it was released, so I went out and bought a new laptop so I could have Win7.

So in a way, Win8 sold a new PC, although not in the way meant on this thread.
Wise lady.
You could also have gotten a Chromebook and turned your back on Windows.

I am sure that if the next Windows version after 8 isn't OK, then the one after that will be. If not well, I mentioned Chromebook, didn't I?
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Old 04-14-2013, 02:11 PM   #138
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Could it be that Microsoft’s strategy is beginning to work, and we’re seeing Windows 8 & Windows RT tablets starting to take hold? We know that enterprise interest in proactively adopting Windows 8 is muted, but our Q3 2012 Workforce Employee Survey data is remarkably promising for Windows 8′s prospects for BYOD in the enterprise, with a full 20% of information workers reporting that they want Windows 8 on their next tablet, vs. 26% for iOS. Not bad considering that Windows 8 wasn’t quite shipping yet when we fielded the survey.

We know that the primary investment strategy for Microsoft with Windows 8 is tablets, and so unless the news is accompanied by Windows 8 tablet sales data, any conclusions are meaningless.

Ted Schadler makes a well-informed case that there is no Post-PC era, and J.P. Gownder explains how the 21% of information workers who use tablets for work are actually using them. But there’s more at work here too. Apple reported last quarter that they see a lot of cannibalization of Mac sales with iPads, so what’s changing is a shift in spending away from traditional form factors to tablets. And like Ted, I argue that this is temporary.

[T]urning over an installed-base this big doesn’t happen overnight. Indeed, the report of Windows’ death was an exaggeration. No doubt Mark Twain would be laughing if he could see us now.
I bought a FireHD because 1) it was inexpensive, 2) I think the next Windows tabs will be much better, and 3) I think the next Windows tablets will be much less expensive.

That said, I only expect to buy one for my high schooler. College boy will be buying his own iron by the time WinTabs become compelling (for him anyway). It'll be two years before his S3 is up for renewal and he has a fairly contemporary laptop and a capable desktop. The wife has already put me on notice that a FireHD is in her very near future. I use whatever the company gives me.
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It's a lock-in. A sad demise of an erstwhile excellent offering.

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Old 04-14-2013, 06:54 PM   #140
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For what it's worth, while I was having problems with my WinXP laptop, it was still working. However, I was hearing some of the advance issues with Win8 a couple of months before it was released, so I went out and bought a new laptop so I could have Win7.

So in a way, Win8 sold a new PC, although not in the way meant on this thread.
Win8 sold a new PC and a new laptop for me. I was looking to get a new laptop last year and by the time I finally decided I didn't need the business model that was 400 or 500 more they put Win8 on the consumer model. I hurried up and bought the business model before that one got "upgraded" too.

Last week I told my husband we should get a new PC before there are no Win7 models left. We have a really old one upstairs and I was afraid if something happened to the main one I'd be in trouble. He got an i5 and I made him take it back for an i7 processor. Best Buy didn't have any Win7, but Microcenter had some.
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:18 PM   #141
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He got an i5 and I made him take it back for an i7 processor.
That was likely a good idea with a performance hog like Win7. With Win8 (or Linux), even a Celeron is probably OK

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Old 04-14-2013, 07:36 PM   #142
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Last week I told my husband we should get a new PC before there are no Win7 models left.
That's really not going to happen very quickly. XP was still available (though at a modest additional charge, since you had to buy Win7 Pro, instead of home) until Win8 was released. As I noted earlier, in looking through Dell's web site, there were two models, one desktop and one laptop, that offered Win8 as a standard option. All were available with Win7, multiple versions. There were literally more computers available with FreeDOS than Win8. And Ubuntu Linux, which has only just been added back to Dell's catalog within the last few weeks, was available on, I would guess, 25% of their systems.

Win8 is going to be much like Vista: largely ignored until the next version comes out, then completely forgotten. (And, for that matter, there were more systems with Vista available than Win8.)
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That was likely a good idea with a performance hog like Win7. With Win8 (or Linux), even a Celeron is probably OK
Win7 needs less processing horspower than XP did. Win8 needs less because less is expected of it at any given time.
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To me Windows 8 was summed up by my reading a tech reviewer had to resort to googling how to turn his computer off.

While I found Windows 7 acceptable and a lot more bearable to Windows 8 I also didn't really like what Microsoft did to the start menu on 7 either I still miss the cascading start menus of Vista/XP it was just much easier to find everything and I still always set my computers to the classic desktop.
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Is that actually the case, or is Windows 7 simply making better use of modern hardware architectures? Computers have changed a lot between the introduction of Windows XP and Windows 7.
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Is that actually the case, or is Windows 7 simply making better use of modern hardware architectures? Computers have changed a lot between the introduction of Windows XP and Windows 7.
A pre-service pack 1 install of XP would probably outperform a pre-service pack install of 7. But if compare the two on the same hardware, with all patches installed, 7 outperforms XP, in my experience.
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Is that actually the case, or is Windows 7 simply making better use of modern hardware architectures? Computers have changed a lot between the introduction of Windows XP and Windows 7.
What difference does it make?
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The thing is the PCs are pretty old, but are more than enough to handle any games I throw at them. I just don't NEED to upgrade.
That and Windows 8 seems a step backwards for a desktop PC to me, I'm very happy with Windows 7.
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Win8 needs less because less is expected of it at any given time.
In my last post, I exaggerated how much better Windows 8 performance is. But the tests showing Win8 to be better are, I think, valid even when confined to the traditional desktop.

For example, this shows Microsoft Excel 2010 running 9 pecent faster under Win8 than Win7:

http://usabilitygeek.com/windows-8-v...mance-testing/

Seems like an apple-to-apples comparison to me.

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To me Windows 8 was summed up by my reading a tech reviewer had to resort to googling how to turn his computer off.
There's a shutdown bug when you disable the logon password. I also had to google the way around this.

I've found Win8 to have few bugs, which isn't, of course, zero bugs. Traditional advice is that if you don't like problems, avoid new Windows operating systems (and Microsoft Office versions) until release of Service Pack 1. In the case of Win8, the equivalent of Service Pack 1 is, according to tech press articles, code-named Windows Blue and expected to be released this year.
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A pre-service pack 1 install of XP would probably outperform a pre-service pack install of 7. But if compare the two on the same hardware, with all patches installed, 7 outperforms XP, in my experience.
That part isn't too surprising. I'm just wondering if it's because Windows 7 is a better OS or if it's because we have much more capable hardware these days (and Windows 7 is designed to take advantage of that hardware, while Windows XP isn't).

To give you some examples: SMP was pretty rare when XP was released and Hyper-Threading wasn't introduced yet, so there was very little point in optimizing XP for concurrent processes. XP also put most of the graphics rendering onto the CPU, possibly because a lot of 2001 vintage low end video cards weren't much better than a frame-buffer at the time. That's just the tip of the iceberg, since there have been an absurd number of changes to PC hardware architecture over the years, none of which an old OS will take advantage of simply because it doesn't know how to use it.
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