Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Readers > Which one should I buy?

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-28-2010, 07:25 PM   #1
Ivy
Sometimes I purr.
Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ivy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ivy's Avatar
 
Posts: 252
Karma: 5979384
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Texas, USA
Device: Kindle
Do they display page number?

Hi,

I'm looking to buy an ereader and I am trying to decide between Nook, Sony Touch Reader and Cybook Orizon. I am a college student from Europe and I'll have a lot of reading to do in .pdfs for uni. Since I don't plan to use my ereader only for fiction, I will need the option to see the number of the page I am reading in order to cite my sources correctly -- I heard Kindle doesn't have this feature.

I am trying to find out if the ereaders I mentioned have it?

Thank you for your time.

Ivy
Ivy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 11:37 PM   #2
vxf
Guru
vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vxf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
vxf's Avatar
 
Posts: 944
Karma: 1490348
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Norman, OK
Device: Sony PRS 350, 900, 950; Kindles (ALL of them!); Kobo Aura One
I have been using the SONY PRS900 and PRS950. Those have a gray bar at the bottom of the screen that displays the page number. Clicking on it opens a scroll-bar that allows you to jump to a specific page. I believe the other SONY readers work in the same way... but for PDFs, I would recommend the larger screen of the 9x0 series.
vxf is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 12-28-2010, 11:52 PM   #3
boswd
Banned
boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,391
Karma: 1001781
Join Date: May 2010
Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X
yes the nook does display page numbers
boswd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 12:12 AM   #4
wallcraft
reader
wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.wallcraft ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
wallcraft's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,975
Karma: 5183568
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mississippi, USA
Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD
For PDFs, you will get the actual page number. This is true on the Kindle's and the other devices.

For non-PDFs, e.g. AZW (MOBI) on the Kindle and ePubs on the others, you get a count of bytes into the file. The Kindle does this is 128 byte chunks of the uncompressed ebook, and Adobe Digital Editions (for ePub) does this essentially as 1024 byte chunks of the compressed ebook. So the ePub "pages" under ADE look like real pages (in length), but they are fake pages generated by a byte counting algorithm. The actual algorithm is complicated, each chapter starts a new page for example, but they are not real pages. The byte counts on the Kindle for AZW ebooks do not look like pages (because 128 bytes is too small), but it is a more reliable count of actual bytes.

If you are going to read lots of text-based PDFs, then the Kindle DX may be your best choice - because a big screen is much better for PDFs. On the KDX and on the K3, a PDF page is always shown "as is" and the zoom options are limited (which is more of an issue for the K3). On the others, you can either see the original page layout or the page can be "reflowed" to make the text bigger (but loosing the page layout). The page count is still accurate with reflow, and in fact the reflow is one page at a time.

Last edited by wallcraft; 12-29-2010 at 12:14 AM.
wallcraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 12:23 AM   #5
boswd
Banned
boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,391
Karma: 1001781
Join Date: May 2010
Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X
Quote:
Originally Posted by wallcraft View Post
For PDFs, you will get the actual page number. This is true on the Kindle's and the other devices.

For non-PDFs, e.g. AZW (MOBI) on the Kindle and ePubs on the others, you get a count of bytes into the file. The Kindle does this is 128 byte chunks of the uncompressed ebook, and Adobe Digital Editions (for ePub) does this essentially as 1024 byte chunks of the compressed ebook. So the ePub "pages" under ADE look like real pages (in length), but they are fake pages generated by a byte counting algorithm. The actual algorithm is complicated, each chapter starts a new page for example, but they are not real pages. The byte counts on the Kindle for AZW ebooks do not look like pages (because 128 bytes is too small), but it is a more reliable count of actual bytes.

If you are going to read lots of text-based PDFs, then the Kindle DX may be your best choice - because a big screen is much better for PDFs. On the KDX and on the K3, a PDF page is always shown "as is" and the zoom options are limited (which is more of an issue for the K3). On the others, you can either see the original page layout or the page can be "reflowed" to make the text bigger (but loosing the page layout). The page count is still accurate with reflow, and in fact the reflow is one page at a time.


on epub you get page numbers as well, the kindle as far as I know is the only one that uses that screwy louie cell system.
boswd is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 12-29-2010, 02:44 AM   #6
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by boswd View Post
on epub you get page numbers as well, the kindle as far as I know is the only one that uses that screwy louie cell system.
This is completely untrue. Both ADE (ePub) devices and the Kindle use the same principle - both count bytes in the file. ADE calls them "pages"; the Kindle calls them "locations", but the principle is identical.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 07:56 AM   #7
dwig
Wizard
dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dwig's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,613
Karma: 6718479
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paradise (Key West, FL)
Device: Current:Surface Go & Kindle 3 - Retired: DellV8p, Clie UX50, ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
... I'll have a lot of reading to do in .pdfs ...
I will need the option to see the number of the page I am reading in order to cite my sources correctly -- I heard Kindle doesn't have this feature.
...
You've heard incorrectly.

When reading PDF's, the Kindle K3 displays the page number. Since PDFs are page based this is easy to do and the page numbers are consistent regardless of reader device.

With true ebook formats, the text flows based on the display characteristics (font size, letter spacing, line spacing, ...) set by the reader device. Ereaders can't reference a page number in the ebook file as pages, per se, do not exist.

Some ebook readers attempt to reference the page number of the source print version. This generally results is a somewhat inaccurate page # display where several screens reference the same page and often a single screen will reference to adjacent pages. Citing the page # isn't too difficult, but citing the appropriate book version can be. Any reader that merely counts "screens" is useless for citing as the screen number will change depending on the device used for reading and the device's settings.

The Kindle's, and other Mobipocket format reader's, approach is to reference a "location" in the electronic file. These can be cited just like "pages". A particular location number is identical regardless of the particular ereader used or its display settings.

There's a good essay on this at: http://www.edukindle.com/2010/08/why...on-the-kindle/
dwig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 10:12 AM   #8
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwig View Post
Some ebook readers attempt to reference the page number of the source print version.
This is news to me. What devices do that? ADE devices most certainly don't.

Quote:
The Kindle's, and other Mobipocket format reader's, approach is to reference a "location" in the electronic file. These can be cited just like "pages". A particular location number is identical regardless of the particular ereader used or its display settings.
It's not true to say "other Mobipocket format readers" (not "reader's", please - why did you put in an apostrophe?) do this. All Mobipocket implementation that I know of, with the exception of the Kindle, simply display a screen count.

Last edited by HarryT; 12-29-2010 at 10:18 AM.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 10:31 AM   #9
boswd
Banned
boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,391
Karma: 1001781
Join Date: May 2010
Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
This is completely untrue. Both ADE (ePub) devices and the Kindle use the same principle - both count bytes in the file. ADE calls them "pages"; the Kindle calls them "locations", but the principle is identical.
I don't know, right now I'm looking at The Mask by Dean Koontz, an ePub ADE book on my nook color and it's says up in the right hand corner 2 of 186
etc.

it's not using a cell system. Its displaying as page numbers.
boswd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 10:35 AM   #10
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by boswd View Post
I don't know, right now I'm looking at The Mask by Dean Koontz, an ePub ADE book on my nook color and it's says up in the right hand corner 2 of 186
etc.

it's not using a cell system. Its displaying as page numbers.
Your claim, however, was that it was an "attempt to reference the page number of the source print version" and that is completely false. An ADE "page number" is simply a count of 1024 characters in the (compressed) file. A Kindle location works in exactly the same way, except that it count 128 characters. Neither ADE page numbers nor Kindle locations have any connection whatsoever to page numbers in printed editions, hence my surprise at your statement that they did.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 10:43 AM   #11
pholy
Booklegger
pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pholy ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
pholy's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,801
Karma: 7999816
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch
Harry - He put in the apostrophe because he's using the possessive form - the readers possess the approach - although I think he should use the plural possessive: readers' because their are many Mobipocket format readers -
just saying - just teasing - your English is usually impeccable, I wish I could do as well

boswd - Harry is right, those page numbers are just as virtual and arbitrary as the Kindle's locations. Actually more so, because they are calculated based on the compressed file, not the original file.

Last edited by pholy; 12-29-2010 at 10:45 AM.
pholy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 10:46 AM   #12
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by pholy View Post
Harry - He put in the apostrophe because he's using the possessive form - the readers possess the approach - although I think he should use the plural possessive: readers' because their are many Mobipocket format readers -
just saying - just teasing - your English is usually impeccable, I wish I could do as well
Doh - you're right. Didn't spot that. Thanks .
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 11:10 AM   #13
boswd
Banned
boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,391
Karma: 1001781
Join Date: May 2010
Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X
Quote:
Originally Posted by pholy View Post
Harry - He put in the apostrophe because he's using the possessive form - the readers possess the approach - although I think he should use the plural possessive: readers' because their are many Mobipocket format readers -
just saying - just teasing - your English is usually impeccable, I wish I could do as well

boswd - Harry is right, those page numbers are just as virtual and arbitrary as the Kindle's locations. Actually more so, because they are calculated based on the compressed file, not the original file.

But the OP asked if it is displayed as page numbers regardless of the behind the scenes compressions.

When reading a book on a kinlde is displayed as a location. When reading a book on the nook it is displayed as a page number. Now when can get into semantics about the compressions etc etc. the fact remains is how does it look when reading, despite the fact that is may have the same scheme, they appear different.

I took the OP's questions as what e readers dispaly the pages as page numbers and that is what the nook does, the kindle for example displays positions.

they may be the exact same thing behind the scenes scheme but they are displayed different. One as a page number one as a location.

that is how I took the OP.
boswd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 11:15 AM   #14
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by boswd View Post
When reading a book on a kinlde is displays a location. When reading a book on the nook it is displayed as a page number. Now when can get into semantics about the compressions etc etc. the fact remaisn is how does it look when reading, despite the fact that is may have the same scheme, they appear different.

I took the OP's questions as what e readers dispaly the pages as page numbers and that is what the nook does, the kindle for example displays positions.

they may be the exact same thing behind the scenes scheme but they are displayed different. One as a page number one as a location.

that is how I took the OP.
I am in complete accord with you. The only point I was disagreeing about was the statement that ADE page numbers are based on the pagination of printed editions; that's not the case.

Having both ADE devices and a Kindle, my personal preference is for the Kindle's locations, due to their finer granularity. As you know, an ADE page will generally extend over several "screens" on a reader, so giving someone a page reference won't ensure that they're looking at the same text that you are. The finer-grained locations on the Kindle generally don't have that issue.
HarryT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 11:55 AM   #15
boswd
Banned
boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.boswd ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,391
Karma: 1001781
Join Date: May 2010
Device: The Nook, Nook color and Droid X
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryT View Post
I am in complete accord with you. The only point I was disagreeing about was the statement that ADE page numbers are based on the pagination of printed editions; that's not the case.

Having both ADE devices and a Kindle, my personal preference is for the Kindle's locations, due to their finer granularity. As you know, an ADE page will generally extend over several "screens" on a reader, so giving someone a page reference won't ensure that they're looking at the same text that you are. The finer-grained locations on the Kindle generally don't have that issue.
I hear ya, but I guess to each his own. When read my first book on my friends kindle, before I bought any ereader, I found the the location to be an odd distraction. I prefer the page number style of display, even if some it takes a couple of screen pages to complet a page.
though there are different factors such as text size that can reduce the number of screens per page.

I do find reading on the 7 inch nook color screen I'm finding it to change page numbers with less screen changes.

IDK, page numbers just seems more natural than "locations".
boswd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Displaying the number of the next page. cmm Kobo Reader 4 09-09-2010 10:54 PM
Does Kobo display total number of pages? foghat Kobo Reader 24 06-12-2010 01:10 AM
Classic Can I jump to a particular page number droople Barnes & Noble NOOK 1 03-08-2010 07:39 AM
Page number oddity julia103 Sony Reader 4 02-11-2009 10:49 PM
What is the page number conversion? markbot Amazon Kindle 41 03-05-2008 10:36 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:35 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.