07-06-2013, 12:36 PM | #46 | |
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Ebooks, on the other hand, are not bought on the return system, for obvious reasons, although the listed price is clear evidence that the book in question is not being sold on the agency model. Where I think you're going wrong is in conflating the amount Amazon pays for print editions with the amount they pay for eBook editions. The two are governed by different agreements, and so there is no reason why Amazon would be paying the same price for both. Yes, the eBook price is compared to the print list, but that's something Amazon always does, regardless of whether there is a different list price for the eBook. It magnifies the apparent savings. Since we can't know how much Amazon pays for the eBook, there's no way to tell if it's predatory pricing. |
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As I think I mentioned in a previous post, at the end of the day it all really comes down to what you choose to believe and how you choose to interpret the information put in front of you. You and many others in this thread choose to believe that what Amazon is doing is a perfectly lawful, perfectly legitimate business practice. I choose to believe that Amazon is using predatory pricing tactics to deliberately put competitors out of business. I personally find that morally and ethically repugnant, regardless of its perceived lawful legitimacy. I also choose to believe that Amazon, now having a virtual 90% monopoly on the e-book market will ultimately be bad for future consumer buying choices as e-books prices start to rise. I also believe it's my prerogative to hold those opinions. Without having the incentive, time or inclination to trawl through all the 9.99 books Amazon may have sold in the past, I'll take your word for it. |
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First, there’s the wholesale model, the way that book publishers have sold printed books to bookstores and other outlets for years. The publisher sets a cover price for a book, sells it to a retailer at a discount (typically 50 percent) and then the retailer can sell the book to consumers for whatever price it chooses. The other method of selling books is via the agency model, which means, essentially, on commission. The retailer offers the book to consumers at a price the publisher sets and gets a percentage of whatever sales are made. It’s rare for print books to be sold in this way, but it’s the method Apple uses to sell content like music and apps in its iTunes store. Until 2010 — as Andrew Albanese explains in his admirably lucid “The Battle of $9.99: How Apple, Amazon and the ‘Big Six’ Publishers Changed the E-Book Business Overnight,” a new “e-single” published by Publishers Weekly — book publishers had been selling e-books to Amazon using the wholesale model. They’d simply adapted the system they were already using to sell print books to the online retailer. This, they would soon realize, was a big mistake. The wholesale model is widely seen as an odd way to sell e-books, since what the purchaser buys is “licensed access” to a digital file, rather than a physical object like a book. But what would torment publishers most about this arrangement was the freedom the wholesale model gave to Amazon to set the prices of e-books. Source: http://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/ever...ook_price_war/ |
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I just checked at BN - they have the eBook for $10.36 with a $16.99 eBook list (and they're charging $31.49 for the print edition), so there's no way the publisher is charging $13.98 for the eBook on a sales vs. commission model.
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That Salon article is nonsense: Revisionist History - Salon & Amazon's Evil eBook Motives You can't base a model of the ebook market off of a single ebook: Quote:
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90%? I seriously doubt that. The Salon article you quoted had that figure from 2009. It's four years later and consumers have a lot more choice in where they can buy ebooks.
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As Judge Cote pointedly reminded the Publishing Industry apologists last September, Amazon has never sold ebooks at an aggregate loss. ebooks are a profit center for Amazon. |
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It might not be as high as that now for the reasons you rightly point out, but I'd still reckon it's pretty high. Particularly so when you consider the high market share the Kindle e-reader alone has. Kindle e-readers dwarf all the others put together. |
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The web article I quoted clearly shows that Amazon was buying e-books under the old ‘sale or return’ or ‘warehouse’ system as they now call it and not the more common ‘agency’ system. It would seem that, that was the method Amazon used up until 2010. What they use now I have no idea, as I've already stated. If you feel by that means I “actually not know really quite a lot about how book sales work” that of course is entirely your prerogative. However, I have worked for 30 odd years within the publishing industry. That of course doesn’t make me an expert on it, but it does mean I know something about it. I’m getting the distinct feeling though, that this is a place where alternative opinions that happen to conflict with the majority view are not welcome. |
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It was not used for ebooks until the Agency Conspiracy. Yes, publishers sold to Amazon at a 'wholesale' price, just as they did to everybody else. This isn't news to anybody, we all know it already. Quote:
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Books published by university presses are generally priced higher than other books, sometimes a lot higher. I guess it's maybe because not that many copies are printed in comparison to "commercial" publishers and they are trying to recover the cost of publishing a title? |
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