New Personal Document Archiving

[Daveoc64]

Originally Posted by neonbible

Does anyone know when Amazon will support personal documents for iPhone and Desktop versions of Kindle?

They've only said that they hope to have support for this "soon".

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

@tomsem: yep, in fact every file type other than PDF (if not converted) is converted into AZW.. nevertheless, some mobi's (not all of them) were not registered as "in the cloud" properly (and haven't after deleting and resending). They were downloadable but not removed from the "Archived Items" for reasons unknown to me.

@Blossom: What I do not like about the Calibre conversion is that it is so far from the standard (admitted my kovid and staff, there are threads about it) that indexing does not function properly or the indexes are somehow messed up on the Kindle so that with many dictionaries on the Kindle (I have a big selection of Oxford mobi dicts that a bought prior to Kindle, nice reference material) which themselves are indexed somehow, dictionary lookups with Calibre mobis are considerably slower for me (sometimes up to five seconds) than with mobs created with Kindle Previewer (albeit the latter being much bigger in file size) or books purchased from Amazon.

Kovid answered some of my questions about this and didn't seem to think anything calibre is doing would interfere. But hopefully he or some of the other developers will be poking around to make sure.

If you don't like what calibre (or want to see what it does), turn on debug mode and look at the intermediate HTML files that will be left around. Then you can edit and build mobi from those.

In any case, no automatic conversion should be considered 'commercial grade', though evidently a lot of big publishers just have their epub files run through kindlegen. The most obvious artifact of this is where chapter navigation only hits the top level, e.g. 'Part 1, Part 2, etc.' rather than all the chapters in between.

You might also want to look for a python script named 'kindlestrip'. It will significantly reduce the file sizes of mobi generated by kindlegen/kindle previewer, by removing the source files archived in the file. Or just send them to Amazon to put in your PD library, they strip the source archive (if there's one in there) before storing it.

Someday I hope amazon will add .epub to the formats that the conversion service handles.

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by tomsem

Kovid answered some of my questions about this and didn't seem to think anything calibre is doing would interfere. But hopefully he or some of the other developers will be poking around to make sure.

If you don't like what calibre (or want to see what it does), turn on debug mode and look at the intermediate HTML files that will be left around. Then you can edit and build mobi from those.

In any case, no automatic conversion should be considered 'commercial grade', though evidently a lot of big publishers just have their epub files run through kindlegen. The most obvious artifact of this is where chapter navigation only hits the top level, e.g. 'Part 1, Part 2, etc.' rather than all the chapters in between.

You might also want to look for a python script named 'kindlestrip'. It will significantly reduce the file sizes of mobi generated by kindlegen/kindle previewer, by removing the source files archived in the file. Or just send them to Amazon to put in your PD library, they strip the source archive (if there's one in there) before storing it.

Someday I hope amazon will add .epub to the formats that the conversion service handles.

Thanks for your answer!
About the problem, maybe it is gone, maybe it isn't (and the threads about it maybe long buried), I have my routine now and am sure that kindlegen always does what I want (and that doesn't mean I don't like calibre, it's awesome). I'm not using python so I'm not using kindlestrip but it's ok, the file size really isn't that important to me. And maybe "Personal Documents" helps now anyway keep the file sizes small. And yeah I hope too that someday we'll be able to convert epub to Kindle without much of a hassle via email...

[pilotbob]

Did they change how this worked? I got my fire today and went to personal documents and it showed an email address different from the one I have set.

Did they decided to go back to a unique email address for each device?

Also, my personal document storage was empty. I thought I had left some stuff in there when I was playing with it before. But, maybe not.

BOb

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Did they change how this worked? I got my fire today and went to personal documents and it showed an email address different from the one I have set.

Did they decided to go back to a unique email address for each device?

Also, my personal document storage was empty. I thought I had left some stuff in there when I was playing with it before. But, maybe not.

BOb

The Fire works the old way. No Personal Cloud for it unlike like K3, K4 & KT that do have that feature. That was the first thing I noticed too. The separate email address is what clued me off that it wasn't going to work the new way.

You can however from your MYK page send stuff from your Pdoc cloud to the Fire other then that it works like all the other Kindles did before they gave us the Pdoc cloud.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Blossom

The Fire works the old way. No Personal Cloud for it unlike like K3, K4 & KT that do have that feature. That was the first thing I noticed too. The separate email address is what clued me off that it wasn't going to work the new way.

You can however from your MYK page send stuff from your Pdoc cloud to the Fire other then that it works like all the other Kindles did before they gave us the Pdoc cloud.

From my reading of the manual on the Fire the "Docs" section is your personal documents. But, it looks like you are right.

Thanks very strange why would they do that... OH, and I was wrong, the books I had there were still there... but it is showing I am using 0.0 space... perhaps the 6 books I have there are too small to register as using any space atm.

BOb

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

From my reading of the manual on the Fire the "Docs" section is your personal documents. But, it looks like you are right.

Thanks very strange why would they do that... OH, and I was wrong, the books I had there were still there... but it is showing I am using 0.0 space... perhaps the 6 books I have there are too small to register as using any space atm.

BOb

Yeah I have like 15 and it says 0% still. You can send them to the Fire from there but the Fire itself does not have access to grab them from within the device. Your Touch does though.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Blossom

Yeah I have like 15 and it says 0% still. You can send them to the Fire from there but the Fire itself does not have access to grab them from within the device. Your Touch does though.

yes, thanks, everything you say is correct... but you knew that. I sent one to my Fire... and there it is in my carousel and in my "Docs" screen.

Still, seems like they missed the boat here that you can't access pd's from the Fire. Although, you can't from the Cloud Reader or K2PC or K4MAC as far as I know either... so perhaps there is a similar reason.

BOb

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

yes, thanks, everything you say is correct... but you knew that. I sent one to my Fire... and there it is in my carousel and in my "Docs" screen.

Still, seems like they missed the boat here that you can't access pd's from the Fire. Although, you can't from the Cloud Reader or K2PC or K4MAC as far as I know either... so perhaps there is a similar reason.

BOb

I see it being implemented when the Stock Android app gets it. I am thinking after Christmas probably as they want exclusive features for Kindles only right now so they will sell more.

[JoeD]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Did they change how this worked? I got my fire today and went to personal documents and it showed an email address different from the one I have set.

Did they decided to go back to a unique email address for each device?

Also, my personal document storage was empty. I thought I had left some stuff in there when I was playing with it before. But, maybe not.

BOb

I've 3 kindle 4 NT's on my account and all 3 have a unique @kindle email address for sending personal docs to. In fact, just checked and if you go to the personal docs settings page you can change the @kindle email to whatever you want (assuming it's not already taken)

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by JoeD

I've 3 kindle 4 NT's on my account and all 3 have a unique @kindle email address for sending personal docs to. In fact, just checked and if you go to the personal docs settings page you can change the @kindle email to whatever you want (assuming it's not already taken)

Yes.. sounds like they backtracked on the single email address per account and will retain the unique emails per device.

BOb

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Yes.. sounds like they backtracked on the single email address per account and will retain the unique emails per device.

BOb

I think it only applies to Kindles purchased after Sept 28th. Both my Kindles share an address and if I changed it changes both of them. The Fire is the only that doesn't do that.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by Blossom

I think it only applies to Kindles purchased after Sept 28th. Both my Kindles share an address and if I changed it changes both of them. The Fire is the only that doesn't do that.

Nope, I don't think so. I recall reading the help based on my message above they used to specifically say you had ONE send to kindle email address. Now, the help says each kindle has a unique send to kindle address.

Here is the current help:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...00728550#pdocs

Each of your Kindle devices is associated with a unique device-specific Send-to-Kindle e-mail address upon registration. Documents sent to this e-mail address are delivered to that specific device. You can view and change the Send-to-Kindle e-mail address associated with your Kindle device in the “Send-to-Kindle E-mail Settings” table.


To change the Send-to-Kindle e-mail address associated with your Kindle, click on “Edit” next to the e-mail address. Enter your preferred e-mail address and click “Update” to complete the change.

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I am 100% sure that is a change. You even state in message 26 that after Sept 28th all kindles will have a single email address as do I in a previous message.

I tried to look in the Internet Archive for previous pages, but they don't have them.

BOb

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Nope, I don't think so. I recall reading the help based on my message above they used to specifically say you had ONE send to kindle email address. Now, the help says each kindle has a unique send to kindle address.

I am 100% sure that is a change. You even state in message 26 that after Sept 28th all kindles will have a single email address as do I in a previous message.

I tried to look in the Internet Archive for previous pages, but they don't have them.

BOb

You're right! They did change it back. I guess they are slowly fixing it when I got my Fire I couldn't do it but now I can!

I guess sending feedback does work! I sent them a long email about this when I got my K4.

[pilotbob]

Well, I finally emailed all my non amazon purchased ebooks to my Kindle account and they are in my personal document storage. Yeah!

I don't have a lot, 63 ebooks that I have purchased from places other than Amazon. I also didn't add any public domain stuff because I didn't want it to take up my 5GB allocation, I can just "buy" them from Amazon if I want to re-read. They will be on my account but won't count toward my 5GB space.

I do hope they integrate this with Cloud drive so you can add storage space if you need it. However, 5GB is a lot of space for ebooks and I do buy probably 99% of my ebooks from Amazon which are stored for free. But, I'm more likely to buy more cloud drive storage if it allows for more kindle personal doc storage.

A bonus is I can remove these ebooks from Calibre and reclaim back that space. Granted though it is only about 100MB of space.

BOb