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Old 10-31-2009, 09:27 AM   #16
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So I replied to Donn: Donnageddon, i have a better idea. From this moment on, I will never post a new thread here again, I promise, you have my word. I will read other posts, I will comment, but I will not post anything new here as a thread ever ever ever. I think everyone will be happier this way.
Thank you, thank you. You just made my day.
Your lack of internet etiquete is appaling. This spam wall of boring and irrelevant posts on the forum dedicated to news is irritating.
I even think, putting in the news section an alert that some blogger said so and so is kinda stupid, unless it's endgadget and with something substantial about new device. Musing of hungover blogger or proffessor who just discoverd internet imho is not the news. But last is just me.

The least you can do is to contain it in one thread.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:29 AM   #17
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:59 AM   #18
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danbloom, we welcome discussion here on all topics, and we are glad you've joined us. in general, we do prefer that members not start multiple threads on the same topic, to make it easier to navigate the forums.

please do feel free to continue your discussion, this is after all a discussion forum, that's what it's for.

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Old 10-31-2009, 10:43 AM   #19
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Nits aside, I have to agree that when I write things, I seem to do a better job of editing and catching faux pas when I am looking at paper rather than a computer screen.
I prefer to edit work-related material on a hard copy too - I've always figured it was just because 1) reading on a desktop screen is uncomfortable and ties me to my desk, whereas I tend to write better when I find the "right" spot; and 2) I grew up marking changes on paper with arrows, basic proofreader's marks, and marginal annotations, and I find the Word change tracking feature cumbersome. Neither of these are related to reading on a screen per se. In fact, when I'm proofing books I've scanned, in which the errors are generally minor but easy to miss, I move them off the computer and onto my PDA for final proofing and bookmarking of errors. That's the most comfortable way to give them a leisurely read-through, even though I need to go back to the desktop later in order to actually fix the errors.
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I hear you, dmikov. Again, apologies all around.

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Apology accepted.

But, please, do stick to your pledge not to start multiple threads on the same topic. Anyone interested in said topic will read whatever you post on an existing thread. Otherwise, you're just annoying.
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Why stop there? Why not switch from a visual medium to an audio one?

By far the most effective way I've found to proofread my writing is to activate some kind text-to-speech system on my computer and have it read what I've written back to me. Usually, I'll read the thing at the same time. Mistakes are very easy to find when a misspelled work is mispronounced, or a missing word is skipped when spoken.
A very good point! I've also read my work aloud to catch errors. And a fellow who works for me and is brilliant at the technical aspects of our job is an awful writer, and I've advised him to read his writing out loud as part of proofreading.

Audio versus print is definitely a different medium and engages the brain differently. Perhaps this does apply to the screen. eInk is supposed to give the advantages of paper. I'd be interested in a well-designed study to see if there are differences in comprehension between eInk and paper!
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:25 PM   #22
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I disagree on one fundamental thing--For most of us, our brains are getting updated all the time....We do it through learning and practice. Even learning to read is a major software upgrade that everyone on this forum did when they were five years old or so. The pace of upgrades slows down for most people after their late teens, but for many of us (and I suspect most of the people in this forum) it never permanently stops while we are alive and conscious! If there is a disadvantage to reading on screen, I suspect our brains will learn to do better at it if we keep practicing.

Nits aside, I have to agree that when I write things, I seem to do a better job of editing and catching faux pas when I am looking at paper rather than a computer screen. I've never thought about how reading on my Kindle might be a different experience. I certainly feel like I get as much out of the book as I do on paper, but who knows....?
I would agree that it is hogwash to think the brain has never been updated. It is updated every day and it is quite adaptable, unlike software, all by itself. The brain is an amazing device.

As to distractions they are perhaps more prevalent on a computer screen although typically not present on your eBook Reader screen. As I type this I have a bunch of icons moving around within my vision which can be distracting. (Hit the esc key to stop this nonsense by the way.) I believe my eBook reader permits me to immerse myself in the reading experience to a degree not possible on a computer screen.

I find lots of mistakes on the screen but only after I write it and then see it formatted on the screen. I think it is the old adage that you know what you intend to say so when you read you tend to read what you want to see, not what is in front of your eyes. After a delay the proof reading is improved.

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Old 10-31-2009, 01:30 PM   #23
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Thank you, thank you. You just made my day.
Your lack of internet etiquete is appaling. This spam wall of boring and irrelevant posts on the forum dedicated to news is irritating.
It is not dedicated to News. As I understand it "Commentary" should not be read as comments to News items. To avoid this confusion a lot of people wanted some other forum to be created for ebook related discussions that are not based on News but this has not happened.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:34 PM   #24
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It is not dedicated to News.
Maybe-- but I would think that some guy inventing a "controversy" and then starting thread after thread where he "interviews" people on his manufactured controversy, filled with appeal to (supposed) authority logical fallacies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority and name dropping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_dropping in an attempt to draw the forum into the argument that he invented in the first place should count as trolling.

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Can't that happen in the lounge?

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The best method is going to vary per-person frabjous

I'm dyslexic and have a terrible auditory memory...TTS wouldn't help me, but inverting the text and background colours and re-reading helps me catch a lot of mistakes.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:11 PM   #26
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No. The lounge is described as: "Friendly banter and discussions unrelated to e-books".
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:30 PM   #27
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I don't agree with his idea personally.

Reading is reading. I don't feel any different reading on my Kindle than I do in a paper book.
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Okay, what's the deal with 'real books,' here.
Can't speak for everyone -- especially when my wife is listening -- but I use the term "real" as tongue-in-cheek, meaning "the current popular method". This a sarcastic view of the human tendency to resist change and accept only what already exists as "real".

To me, "real books" is merely poking fun at the silly notion that everything will remain as it always has been. Of course, that's silly in itself, since very few things have remained the same as they were when they began.

Otherwise, we would still be driving Model T's.

No, wait, we would still be riding in wagons.

No, wait, we would still be riding horses.

No, wait, we would still be walking everywhere.

No, wait, we would still be swimming in the primordial ooze.

No, wait, we still are -- we just renamed it "politics".

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I didn't mean to suggest that works best for me would work best for anyone else. Apologies if it came off that way.
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Not only is the brain updated thru learning, it's an established fact that human evolution is continuing, contrary to the old assumption that evolution in humans stopped when civilization began. In fact, there is some evidence that evolution is faster now in humans than in earlier times. So the brain is updated thru learning and the old-fashioned way -- by death, sexual selection, and that sort of thing.
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