New trend? digitize your books for $1USD each. - Page 2

rogue_librarian · 08-12-2011, 12:11 PM

Nah. Just because they could doesn't mean they do. And if they do (why should they?) it's none of my business.

j.p.s · 08-12-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

That sounds like they are just scanning them as images, you'd have to do the whole OCR process yourself?

The web site says that the PDFs will have an OCR'd searchable text layer.

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

If they did a good job, I'd be tempted. Yes I can scan them myself, but my time is worth more than $1 per 200 pages. The risk is that they do a crappy job, with missing or misaligned pages, and the original book is gone.

Let the reports and reviews begin.

charleski · 08-12-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It is format shifting, but I'm not sure if it's OK for someone else to do the format shifting for you. I may of course be wrong. Time will tell!

US Case Law is very clear that someone else can't do the format shifting for you. I know it's been 11 years, but have people really forgotten about MP3.com already?
http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/cjoyce...ase10/UGM.html

This company hasn't got a hope in the courts.

TimW · 08-12-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by charleski

US Case Law is very clear that someone else can't do the format shifting for you. I know it's been 11 years, but have people really forgotten about MP3.com already?
http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/cjoyce...ase10/UGM.html

This company hasn't got a hope in the courts.

I don't think there's any doubt that they will be sued in federal court...and lose.

jocampo · 08-12-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gardenstate

A Japanese Company opened up in the United States and charges $1 each to scan and digitize your paper book. PRO - low cost way to convert your library & now you can view it on you ereader CON - book spine is cut to allow pages to be scanned easily

http://www.forbes.com/sites/booked/2...tner=yahoofeed

The link no longer works ... and looks like copyright issues to me ... someone else getting paid for scanning or converting your books? I don't see any real future on that.

We'll see ...

TimW · 08-12-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

The link no longer works ... and looks like copyright issues to me ... someone else getting paid for scanning or converting your books? I don't see any real future on that.

We'll see ...

Try this link, JC: http://news.yahoo.com/japans-largest...164645396.html

jocampo · 08-12-2011, 01:26 PM

That one works! Thanks Tim!

Barty · 08-12-2011, 01:34 PM

Cons: PDF.

Pay to have your book destroyed so you can have fun fixing OCR and formatting errors. Um, no.

Dulin's Books · 08-12-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rogue_librarian

Nah. Just because they could doesn't mean they do. And if they do (why should they?) it's none of my business.

because of the way computers work. if they digitize it into memory and then email it to you they still retain a copy in memory. the next time someone sends them the same book they might save themselves the time and just email the copy they made from your book. its not your "business" but it is the business of the copyright holder.

Shaggy · 08-12-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It is format shifting, but I'm not sure if it's OK for someone else to do the format shifting for you.

Does it really matter?

HarryT · 08-12-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Does it really matter?

I don't think it matters in the slightest, no, but it's the opinion of the courts that counts, not mine. Just saying that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that's where it ended up.

rogue_librarian · 08-12-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

if they digitize it into memory and then email it to you they still retain a copy in memory.

Until they delete it, yes. The web proxy probably holds a copy for some time, too. Any sane copyright legislation takes that into account and dismisses it instantly.

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... the next time someone sends them the same book they might save themselves the time and just email the copy they made from your book.

I'm perfectly happy to draw the line at that.

Prestidigitweeze · 08-12-2011, 03:40 PM

I'm not quite understanding why mp3.com's sonic appropriation service is comparable to the digital equivalent of a store that makes copies. Wouldn't the crime consist of distribution rather than the one file transfer?

Obviously, the service would be tragic for, say, my editions of the complete works of Thomas Lovell Beddoes, which were published in 1860 (I believe) and only eight hundred of which were printed worldwide. It would not be tragic for my old paperback copy of Ficciones, by Jorge Luis Borges, who, for some skull-pretzeling reason, has yet to be ePub'd, mobi'd or PDFed in English translation, for the love of Graucho Yerba Mathias.

Dulin's Books · 08-12-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rogue_librarian

Until they delete it, yes. The web proxy probably holds a copy for some time, too. Any sane copyright legislation takes that into account and dismisses it instantly.

I'm perfectly happy to draw the line at that.

id like to see them only save it to some removable storage like a thumb drive or sd card. then they could mail that to you and they would never have a copy of their own to keep.

charleski · 08-12-2011, 04:03 PM

They're creating a copy of a work and then selling that copy back to you. That's the central issue that puts them in violation of copyright, no matter how it gets dressed-up.

You'll note that the judge made a special note in the MP3.com case that there was no debate about the commercial nature of their operation. When you buy a personal copy of something there are all sorts of things you, personally, can do with it, but the only people allowed to make money off a copyrighted work are the copyright holders.

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08-12-2011, 12:11 PM	#16
rogue_librarian Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 4269175 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Europe Device: Pocketbook Basic 613	Nah. Just because they could doesn't mean they do. And if they do (why should they?) it's none of my business.

08-12-2011, 01:26 PM	#22
jocampo Layback feline Posts: 3,034 Karma: 6980745 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Device: Oasis 2nd gen, Sony DPTS1, iPad Pro 10.5"	That one works! Thanks Tim!

08-12-2011, 01:34 PM	#23
Barty doofus Posts: 2,517 Karma: 13036221 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage	Cons: PDF. Pay to have your book destroyed so you can have fun fixing OCR and formatting errors. Um, no.

08-12-2011, 03:40 PM	#28
Prestidigitweeze Fledgling Demagogue Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7.	I'm not quite understanding why mp3.com's sonic appropriation service is comparable to the digital equivalent of a store that makes copies. Wouldn't the crime consist of distribution rather than the one file transfer? Obviously, the service would be tragic for, say, my editions of the complete works of Thomas Lovell Beddoes, which were published in 1860 (I believe) and only eight hundred of which were printed worldwide. It would not be tragic for my old paperback copy of Ficciones, by Jorge Luis Borges, who, for some skull-pretzeling reason, has yet to be ePub'd, mobi'd or PDFed in English translation, for the love of Graucho Yerba Mathias.

08-12-2011, 04:03 PM	#30
charleski Wizard Posts: 1,196 Karma: 1281258 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: PRS-505	They're creating a copy of a work and then selling that copy back to you. That's the central issue that puts them in violation of copyright, no matter how it gets dressed-up. You'll note that the judge made a special note in the MP3.com case that there was no debate about the commercial nature of their operation. When you buy a personal copy of something there are all sorts of things you, personally, can do with it, but the only people allowed to make money off a copyrighted work are the copyright holders.