*Transparent* E-Paper at Purdue University - Page 2

NatCh · 07-05-2007, 04:53 PM

No more do I, yvanleterrible, but these jokers have a apparently managed it.

Picked up "great googley moogley" from a sound byte in the radio, dunno where it came from before that.

exvaxman · 07-05-2007, 05:16 PM

Perdue is the chicken guy. Purdue is the big ten school that puts out the largest amount of alcoholics because West Lafayette is so boring. Or it was in my era - had a ball at grad school in Florida though.

NatCh · 07-05-2007, 05:48 PM

Thanks, exvaxman -- my spelling is notorious around here. I was focusing so much on getting the end of the name spelled correctly that I missed that I had the beginning wrong. I've gone back and changed it, thanks to your pointing out the error.

I hereby formally apologize to any I may have accidentally offended by my error, and affirm that it was only that, and nothing deliberate.

mogui · 07-05-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Great Googely Moogely was as exclamation on 'Yellow Snow' wasn't it?

BTTT I still don't understand how eink could be made transparent!

Actually I think the ink is more useful when it is opaque -- except for secret writing, of course.

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Picked up "great googley moogley" from a sound byte in the radio, dunno where it came from before that.

Bruce Willis used to say it on that detective TV show, "Moonlighting" 1985-1989. I can still hear his voice . . .

nekokami · 07-05-2007, 10:50 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not transparent "e ink", it's transparent "e paper." I'm not sure what that means, exactly, but probably not little cells full of black and white charged particles.

NatCh · 07-06-2007, 12:27 AM

Right, true, but what happens to the ink when it's not black? That's the question!

orcinus · 07-06-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Frank!?! I love that guy's music. Vai's taken over you can still feel Frank's presence in his music. That must be from the years he put in with the 'Mothers'.

He kinda drifted away from it, though, during the years. The Ultra Zone was the last truly Zappaish album...

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Great Googely Moogely was as exclamation on 'Yellow Snow' wasn't it?

Close

It's from Nanook Rubs It (which follows Don't Eat The Yellow Snow on Apostrophe').

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BTTT I still don't understand how eink could be made transparent!

It' can't be. Not the E Ink e-ink, anyway. The article only mentions transparent electrodes and transistors and says it could be applied to LCD's, e-ink displays etc., not the actual display matrix.

Cholesteric Bistable LCD's could, OTOH, work with this. Another thing that could work with transparency would be an e-ink display consisting of little bipolar, thin plates (instead of spheres or grains) so when you rotate them parallel to the plane of display, they block the light, while rotating them perpendicular to it let's the light pass through. That would probably be quite slow, though (friction!).

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Right, true, but what happens to the ink when it's not black? That's the question!

It's white. I.e. opaque. And if you were to replace the capsules with the white pigment with transparent capsules, you wouldn't do jack, because you could still see the black ones through them.

NatCh · 07-06-2007, 08:52 AM

I don't believe we actually know their "ink's" mechanism, so it could be ChoLCD (which I think they've gotten to pretty quick response times, but it's been a while since I looked at them).

Yeah, they are only talking about having made the electrodes and wires transparent (or at least not visible), but if they couldn't make the inking agent similarly transparent, it would make a really crummy addition to a car's windshield, for instance, which was one of their own examples. So I'm thinking they probably have "ink" that vanishes too.

I could be wrong, now, but I don't think so. (That one's for my fellow Monk fans out there)

yvanleterrible · 07-06-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by exvaxman

Perdue is the chicken guy. Purdue is the big ten school that puts out the largest amount of alcoholics because West Lafayette is so boring. Or it was in my era - had a ball at grad school in Florida though.

Perdue in French means 'lost', in the feminine gender.

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Originally Posted by orcinus

He kinda drifted away from it, though, during the years. The Ultra Zone was the last truly Zappaish album...

Close

Yes as to the the multiple instrument layers but the actual ways of composing are still there. And some riffs survived.

orcinus · 07-06-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Yeah, they are only talking about having made the electrodes and wires transparent (or at least not visible), but if they couldn't make the inking agent similarly transparent, it would make a really crummy addition to a car's windshield, for instance, which was one of their own examples. So I'm thinking they probably have "ink" that vanishes too.

As long as it has to go from transparent to opaque, the only sound way to do it (AFAIK) is polarization, and that means liquid crystals, i.e. ChLCD/BCD.

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I could be wrong, now, but I don't think so. (That one's for my fellow Monk fans out there)

LOL... coincidentally, i've been watching Monk yesterday night.

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Yes as to the the multiple instrument layers but the actual ways of composing are still there. And some riffs survived.

A lot of Zappa is in the unique and complicated syncopated rhythms (see, for example, Frank and Lucky Charms from The Ultra Zone) and he seems to have lost that along the way

NatCh · 07-06-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by orcinus

As long as it has to go from transparent to opaque, the only sound way to do it (AFAIK) is polarization, and that means liquid crystals, i.e. ChLCD/BCD.

I don't know of anything else that'll do it either, orcinus, but I'd sure like to know what they're using for sure, just in case it is something new.

07-05-2007, 05:16 PM	#17
exvaxman Connoisseur Posts: 66 Karma: 38 Join Date: Mar 2006	The name is actually Purdue Perdue is the chicken guy. Purdue is the big ten school that puts out the largest amount of alcoholics because West Lafayette is so boring. Or it was in my era - had a ball at grad school in Florida though.

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07-05-2007, 04:53 PM	#16
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	No more do I, yvanleterrible, but these jokers have a apparently managed it. Picked up "great googley moogley" from a sound byte in the radio, dunno where it came from before that.

07-05-2007, 05:48 PM	#18
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Thanks, exvaxman -- my spelling is notorious around here. I was focusing so much on getting the end of the name spelled correctly that I missed that I had the beginning wrong. I've gone back and changed it, thanks to your pointing out the error. I hereby formally apologize to any I may have accidentally offended by my error, and affirm that it was only that, and nothing deliberate.

07-05-2007, 10:50 PM	#20
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	I'm pretty sure it's not transparent "e ink", it's transparent "e paper." I'm not sure what that means, exactly, but probably not little cells full of black and white charged particles.

07-06-2007, 12:27 AM	#21
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Right, true, but what happens to the ink when it's not black? That's the question!

07-06-2007, 08:52 AM	#23
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I don't believe we actually know their "ink's" mechanism, so it could be ChoLCD (which I think they've gotten to pretty quick response times, but it's been a while since I looked at them). Yeah, they are only talking about having made the electrodes and wires transparent (or at least not visible), but if they couldn't make the inking agent similarly transparent, it would make a really crummy addition to a car's windshield, for instance, which was one of their own examples. So I'm thinking they probably have "ink" that vanishes too. I could be wrong, now, but I don't think so. (That one's for my fellow Monk fans out there)