Kindle Touch Update 5.1.2 - Page 2

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ixtab

I think it's just a bad translation of the german version. ...
You should simply read the 3rd paragraph of the english article before the 2nd one, then it makes more sense.

Sadly, I do not know German, so I was not aware of that. Perhaps that false claim WAS an error in translation, or a false assumption by the translator.

tomsem · 07-24-2012, 01:27 PM

It may be just my imagination, but I can scroll web pages about 90-95% now (i.e. more like 'page up, page down', with just a little overlap), whereas at some earlier time I could only scroll about 60%. Maybe someone could check this before and after they update.

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

It may be just my imagination, but I can scroll web pages about 90-95% now (i.e. more like 'page up, page down', with just a little overlap), whereas at some earlier time I could only scroll about 60%. Maybe someone could check this before and after they update.

That depends on the size of the web page on most web browsers. For a fair (firmware difference) comparison, you need side-by-side comparisons of the SAME web page.

mmatej · 07-24-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by geekmaster

At your provided link, it says: At this MobileRead thread it says:Interestingly, the video at the heise security announcement shows the VERY SAME web page provided in the MobileRead post.

So, did heise security actually HIRE MobileRead member mmatej, or was he already an employee of heise security when he made that web page, or is heise security claiming credit for somebody else's work (plagiarism)? Hmm...

So, WHO built that web jailbreak webpage then?

I am not affiliated with HS in any way. Could you send me link to the video where the web jailbreak page is shown? I can't find it on their pages. The last question is somewhat silly. "mmatej" (yes, it's me) has built the web jailbreak.

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mmatej

I am not affiliated with HS in any way. Could you send me link to the video where the web jailbreak page is shown? I can't find it on their pages. The last question is somewhat silly. "mmatej" (yes, it's me) has built the web jailbreak.

Their video is NOT the same one I saw then they first announced this. They have updated the video to remove all identifying info, including blurring the URL and removing the image of the web jailbreak page. It was clearly your web page when I watched their posted video awhile back. This is all that remains: http://www.heise.de/video/artikel/Lu...h-1641625.html

mmatej · 07-24-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by geekmaster

Their video is NOT the same one I saw then they first announced this. They have updated the video to remove all identifying info, including blurring the URL and removing the image of the web jailbreak page. It was clearly your web page when I watched their posted video awhile back. This is all that remains: http://www.heise.de/video/artikel/Lu...h-1641625.html

I can't confirm it, but if you are right, then... just [edit - moderator] them all.

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mmatej

I can't confirm it, but if you are right, then... just [edit - moderator] them all.

Well, there is a Russian web page containing screenshots taken from my "select boot" thread, and content from my "simple debricking method" thread. I took those screenshots from my own computer screen, then hand-edited them to fit the MobileRead page. That is why I started adding the CC-BY-SA license to all my new posts.

At least the blogs that link to heise security also link back to your MobileRead page. And the Russian page now has a linkback to my stuff too after I requested it (but no *real* credit given, and my name never mentioned).

mmatej · 07-24-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by geekmaster

Well, there is a Russian web page containing screenshots taken from my "select boot" thread, and content from my "simple debricking method" thread. I took those screenshots from my own computer screen, then hand-edited them to fit the MobileRead page. That is why I started adding the CC-BY-SA license to all my new posts.

At least the blogs that link to heise security also link back to your MobileRead page. And the Russian page now has a linkback to my stuff too after I requested it (but no *real* credit given, and my name never mentioned).

That's worse than my problem. I really hate plagiarising work with no credit given back to the original author. Have you tried sending them some reminder that it's your work and you don't want it there? If they are not "full idiots" they should at least credit you.

ixtab · 07-24-2012, 05:16 PM

Whoa.

Sorry, but I need to defend heise here. I didn't see the original video, but if it's as geekmaster said, then they merely showed a video of how the jailbreak-kt.tk worked on the Kindle. That is called "customer service", because it may be interesting for people who don't own a Kindle (or who are too afraid to try it).

Also, nowhere did they claim that they discovered the vulnerability, or that they set up the Web jailbreak site. All sources are properly credited with links. I don't see any plagiarism in that - where do you?

Heise is, in fact, one of the few publishers in Germany who even go to court to defend information freedom. For instance, they fought (and won) a case where some folks tried to ban links from (online) press articles to external websites hosting hacking tools.

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 06:58 PM

I was going to add earlier (but decided not to), that we are reading an English translation of a German article about a demo given by heise security techs. And the video is watermarked by c't magazine (a popular german tech magazine). This information may have been edited or rewritten multiple times by multiple people, causing some factual errors to creep in. There may be errors in translation (as I mentioned in an earlier post). The article as written DOES give credit to previous works.

My memory MIGHT be faulty here, or they may have replaced the video, but I do "remember" (quite clearly) watching a similar video with more details (including the web jailbreak webpage) when I first read that article. This was discussed previously in another thread, as I recall...

Even if they did change the video, I never saw them claim SOLE credit for this work. Perhaps they changed the video to remove the web page image to avoid claims of infringement or plaigarism. I suspect that any errors can be attributed to the author of the web page that DESCRIBES what heise did, rather than accusing heise of doing anything wrong.

It would be nice though if the bloggers gave more credit to the discoverer of the flaw and to the author of the jailbreak web page. At least they provided a linkback and did acknowledge "prior art" in this case (as I mentioned previously). I do not consider that to be plagiarism. If they previously used a copy of the web jailbreak in their video, it is not there now (unlike the Russian web page that still contains my personal images).

geoffwood · 07-24-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by geekmaster

That is why I started adding the CC-BY-SA license to all my new posts.

I suspect you are already aware, but people like me that browse with Signatures and Avatars disabled in the Control Panel will never see that.

It does make the site a whole lot easier to read without all the extra "fluff".

geekmaster · 07-24-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by geoffwood

I suspect you are already aware, but people like me that browse with Signatures and Avatars disabled in the Control Panel will never see that.

It does make the site a whole lot easier to read without all the extra "fluff".

Ahh... So you prefer the "condensed" version of the website.

dlcmdrx · 07-25-2012, 01:29 PM

Hi guys, do you know a link in amazons web page where we can post our suggestions id like to see a landscape mode for the web browser.

AnemicOak · 07-25-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dlcmdrx

Hi guys, do you know a link in amazons web page where we can post our suggestions id like to see a landscape mode for the web browser.

They have a feedback email address...

kindle-feedback@amazon.com

07-24-2012, 06:58 PM	#25
geekmaster Carpe diem, c'est la vie. Posts: 6,433 Karma: 10773668 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Multiverse 6627A Device: K1 to PW3	I was going to add earlier (but decided not to), that we are reading an English translation of a German article about a demo given by heise security techs. And the video is watermarked by c't magazine (a popular german tech magazine). This information may have been edited or rewritten multiple times by multiple people, causing some factual errors to creep in. There may be errors in translation (as I mentioned in an earlier post). The article as written DOES give credit to previous works. My memory MIGHT be faulty here, or they may have replaced the video, but I do "remember" (quite clearly) watching a similar video with more details (including the web jailbreak webpage) when I first read that article. This was discussed previously in another thread, as I recall... Even if they did change the video, I never saw them claim SOLE credit for this work. Perhaps they changed the video to remove the web page image to avoid claims of infringement or plaigarism. I suspect that any errors can be attributed to the author of the web page that DESCRIBES what heise did, rather than accusing heise of doing anything wrong. It would be nice though if the bloggers gave more credit to the discoverer of the flaw and to the author of the jailbreak web page. At least they provided a linkback and did acknowledge "prior art" in this case (as I mentioned previously). I do not consider that to be plagiarism. If they previously used a copy of the web jailbreak in their video, it is not there now (unlike the Russian web page that still contains my personal images). Last edited by geekmaster; 07-25-2012 at 05:13 PM.

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07-24-2012, 01:27 PM	#17
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,478 Karma: 26425959 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	It may be just my imagination, but I can scroll web pages about 90-95% now (i.e. more like 'page up, page down', with just a little overlap), whereas at some earlier time I could only scroll about 60%. Maybe someone could check this before and after they update.

07-24-2012, 05:16 PM	#24
ixtab (offline) Posts: 2,907 Karma: 6736092 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: K3, K4, K5, KPW, KPW2	Whoa. Sorry, but I need to defend heise here. I didn't see the original video, but if it's as geekmaster said, then they merely showed a video of how the jailbreak-kt.tk worked on the Kindle. That is called "customer service", because it may be interesting for people who don't own a Kindle (or who are too afraid to try it). Also, nowhere did they claim that they discovered the vulnerability, or that they set up the Web jailbreak site. All sources are properly credited with links. I don't see any plagiarism in that - where do you? Heise is, in fact, one of the few publishers in Germany who even go to court to defend information freedom. For instance, they fought (and won) a case where some folks tried to ban links from (online) press articles to external websites hosting hacking tools.

07-25-2012, 01:29 PM	#28
dlcmdrx Member Posts: 24 Karma: 14704 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Amazon Kindle Touch	Hi guys, do you know a link in amazons web page where we can post our suggestions id like to see a landscape mode for the web browser.