Missouri public school bans Kurt Vonnegut's 'Slaughterhouse Five'. - Page 18

Sil_liS · 08-03-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EatingPie

You contradicted yourself. You said "none," then you limited books to those with "some point for being added, some literary or scientific value." Unless you are about to include Hustler magazine, or images of hard-core pornography (pornography, not scientific manuals discussing sexuality), then you do draw the line somewhere.

There is no contradiction. I said that ALL the books in the library have some point for being added, some literary or scientific value, therefor NONE were excluded from my answer to the question about the possible removal of books from the library.

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Originally Posted by EatingPie

Where does the Bible use the term "nigger"? Where does the Bible argue rape is a woman's fault? Where does the Bible say women exist primarily as sex objects? Where does the Bible contain images of pornography? (The Bible does contain descriptions that would be considered pornographic.) Where does the Bible include a Norweigan terrorist manifesto?

The word nigger didn't exist when the Bible was written, same for the word (and concept of) terrorist, and the Bible didn't have images of any kind. Does it have to contain every example of age-inappropriate content across centuries in order to consider it age-inappropriate as a whole?

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Originally Posted by EatingPie

The Jews are the chosen people in the Old Testament, implying that all other races are inferior. However, the New Testament is all-inclusive and expresses God's love for everyone.

So if half of the chapters don't have the F word, the presence of it in the other chapters shouldn't constitute reason for banning. I think I like this logic.

CleverClothe · 08-03-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EatingPie

I am not ignorant the way people act -- be they liberal or conservative, religious or atheistic -- please do not state or imply that I am.

At this point, you are merely slinging vitriol at "religious conservatives." This is also an unreasoned standpoint to take as it offers nothing substantive to the debate... except to get it pushed out of public viewing on mobileread.

The new information cited was a comment by a person who we must assume is involved in the case. Why should we believe that person any more than those cited in the article?

-Pie

I am just making observations about what you have publicly said and done. And I also care about the actual truth, not what people say is the truth.

If anyone is "seriously burned" by my saying that conservatives play word games, I shall suggest that they get thicker skin to accept the truth. I bet no one would bat an eye if I said "politicians lie."

I don't claim to KNOW what exactly happened. But based on the public statements and the kinds of people invovled, I strongly suspect that "religious" reasons were the driving force and everything else is just an effort to calm outrage.

anamardoll · 08-03-2011, 06:05 PM

CleverClothe,

How can you KNOW politicians lie, if they SAY they don't?

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Originally Posted by Sil_liS

So if half of the chapters don't have the F word, the presence of it in the other chapters shouldn't constitute reason for banning. I think I like this logic.

This.

Also, and I am trying SO HARD not to get into a religio-flame war, the "god's love for everyone" part is a gross over-simplification and it is Much More Complicated Than That.

So is, for that matter, the Biblical understanding of rape.

twowheels · 08-03-2011, 06:44 PM

Banned book lists are where I go the learn about some of the best literature that's worth reading. I've now added another book to my Amazon wish list. :-)

Sil_liS · 08-03-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by twowheels

Banned book lists are where I go the learn about some of the best literature that's worth reading. I've now added another book to my Amazon wish list. :-)

There were 2 books that were banned. You could add the other one to the list as well.

twowheels · 08-03-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sil_liS

There were 2 books that were banned. You could add the other one to the list as well.

Yeah, but only one of them looked interesting to me. :-)

GlennD · 08-03-2011, 07:34 PM

People keep saying 'banned'. Slaughterhouse 5 wasn't banned. It was removed from the library and from the curriculum. If a student were to get ahold of their own copy, he could read it at school with no fear of punishment.

anamardoll · 08-03-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GlennD

People keep saying 'banned'. Slaughterhouse 5 wasn't banned. It was removed from the library and from the curriculum. If a student were to get ahold of their own copy, he could read it at school with no fear of punishment.

"Banned" is shorter to say than "a paid-for copy was removed from the school library and the curriculum because of a single complaint by a concerned parent whose children do not attend the school in question". Such is language...

Still, the use may not be completely incorrect.

ban

v. banned, ban·ning, bans
1. To prohibit, especially by official decree: The city council banned billboards on most streets. See Synonyms at forbid.
2. South African Under the former system of apartheid, to deprive (a person suspected of illegal activity) of the right of free movement and association with others.
3. Archaic To curse.

n.
1. An excommunication or condemnation by church officials.
2. A prohibition imposed by law or official decree: a ban on cigarette smoking on airplanes.
3. Censure, condemnation, or disapproval expressed especially by public opinion.
4. A curse; an imprecation.
5. A summons to arms in feudal times.

So call the "banned" in this thread to be a verbed noun. Which some readers find equally offensive, but I do not.

WT Sharpe · 08-03-2011, 07:41 PM

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twowheels Wizard Posts: 1,786 Karma: 13412766 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kobo Clara HD, iPad Pro 10", iPhone 15 Pro	Banned book lists are where I go the learn about some of the best literature that's worth reading. I've now added another book to my Amazon wish list. :-)

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GlennD Wizard Posts: 2,101 Karma: 17249026 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Pacific NW Device: sony PRS350, iPhone, iPad	People keep saying 'banned'. Slaughterhouse 5 wasn't banned. It was removed from the library and from the curriculum. If a student were to get ahold of their own copy, he could read it at school with no fear of punishment.

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