Expansion of the Lounge - your vote counts (poll) - Page 2

Daithi · 03-26-2009, 02:33 PM

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

When discussing this issue in the thread that started this pole I mentioned wanting a forum that I could start threads like the following --

College textbooks -- are current readers inadequate
An idea for book publishers
Illustrations in ebooks
A list of great ebook related sites
A proposal to modernize copyright laws
The case for digital piracy

However, it was pointed out that these kinds of threads should be started in the "News and Commentary" forum. Is this true? Or are these the kind of topics that will be posted in the New Forum? Or is the intention for the New Forum to have non-ebook related posts that aren't of a banter type nature?

If a new forum is added, I liked MOd BOb's suggestion about voting on the forum's name.

pilotbob · 03-26-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daithi

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

This would be a "non-ebook" topic forum similar to the lounge. So topics:

A great banana bread recipe
Should eminent domain be for "any purpose"
Should marijuana be legalized
Would putting the US back on the gold standard work
Thoughts on the new Star Trek movie

BOb

frabjous · 03-26-2009, 02:46 PM

Voted #2. Problem with a serious off-topic forum is that I doubt it'll get browsed as often--if I do have a question, I want casual browsers who are looking for lounging to at least get the opportunity to answer if the subject title catches their eye. And the same goes for when I'm looking to lounge and a serious subject happens to catch my eye...

Daithi · 03-26-2009, 02:49 PM

Thanks BOb, that helps a lot.

I've decided that in this case I don't have a dog in the hunt, so I'll leave it up to the users of the Lounge.

Wetdogeared · 03-26-2009, 03:20 PM

I'm still yet undecided. I would like to have seen the option to leave things as they are.

I have no problems traversing the many forums in MR and picking up on the threads that interest me; but I realize the debate is over.

At some point I'll probably vote for whichever option effects me the least. (Very Selfish of me, I know.)

WDE.

pilotbob · 03-26-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetdogeared

I'm still yet undecided. I would like to have seen the option to leave things as they are.

voting for the prefix is as close to voting for "leave things as they are".

BOb

dreams · 03-26-2009, 04:20 PM

I was leaning toward option 1 but, I am now unsure.

I thought that the "News and Commentary Latest on e-books, e-paper, DRM and related technologies" section was for relating current news topics and comments related to that specific news article.

My understanding was that topics of the nature that Daithi brought up were to be for the new section as they were more member thoughts and ideas not necessarily based on a specific news post but a variety of current issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daithi

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

When discussing this issue in the thread that started this pole I mentioned wanting a forum that I could start threads like the following --

College textbooks -- are current readers inadequate
An idea for book publishers
Illustrations in ebooks
A list of great ebook related sites
A proposal to modernize copyright laws
The case for digital piracy

However, it was pointed out that these kinds of threads should be started in the "News and Commentary" forum. Is this true? Or are these the kind of topics that will be posted in the New Forum? Or is the intention for the New Forum to have non-ebook related posts that aren't of a banter type nature?

If a new forum is added, I liked MOd BOb's suggestion about voting on the forum's name.

I don't agree that the new section should have non-ebook related volatile topics such as the quick examples that pilotbob mentioned.
Topics should have some connection to how members would use these device-related topics. Recipes, craft ideas/patterns, gardening.. these could and are compiled and made into pages for personal devices. These topics could be seen as ebook related.

Starting threads for topics such as:Should marijuana be legalized?, Would putting the US back on the gold standard work?, and others of this nature could and probably would quickly become very heated and insulting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

This would be a "non-ebook" topic forum similar to the lounge. So topics:

A great banana bread recipe
Should eminent domain be for "any purpose"
Should marijuana be legalized
Would putting the US back on the gold standard work
Thoughts on the new Star Trek movie

BOb

OK, that was my two cents (probably worth less now

I still think that there is some confusion about what the "new section" would contain that would be different other than "not silly/ not seriously off-topic".

mtravellerh · 03-26-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

voting for the prefix is as close to voting for "leave things as they are".

BOb

I don't think so, Bob

daffy4u · 03-26-2009, 04:30 PM

I vote for #1 and getting rid of the "silly" prefix as it won't be necessary anymore. If you're in the lounge it will be a given that the threads are mostly silly. If you're in the "salon", things will be a bit more subdued.

Sparrow · 03-26-2009, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daffy4u

I vote for #1 and getting rid of the "silly" prefix as it won't be necessary anymore. If you're in the lounge it will be a given that the threads are mostly silly. If you're in the "salon", things will be a bit more subdued.

I'm hoping it doesn't pan out like that. I'd hope that the Lounge would carry on as before, with a mix of topics and tone - and a tolerance of wandering off-topic occasionally. With the Salon for more disciplined discussion.

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

Alexander Turcic · 03-26-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

That should absolutely not be happening. It's up to the thread starter to decide where his thread belongs to as long as it fits the theme of the section.

daffy4u · 03-26-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I'm hoping it doesn't pan out like that. I'd hope that the Lounge would carry on as before, with a mix of topics and tone - and a tolerance of wandering off-topic occasionally. With the Salon for more disciplined discussion.

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

Fair enough but I get tired of seeing so many threads with the "silly" label when I sort by new posts. Sometimes, it looks like a sea of blue tags.

Sparrow · 03-26-2009, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

That should absolutely not be happening. It's up to the thread starter to decide where his thread belongs to as long as it fits the theme of the section.

Thanks - that's reassuring.

badgoodDeb · 03-26-2009, 05:02 PM

I agree with option 1 -- but "Salon" doesn't in any way imply serious to me. Is this a USA difference? "Salon-Seriously" would help! Or something else.

Sparrow · 03-26-2009, 05:13 PM

I think 'salon' is being used in the sense of an intellectual gathering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(gathering)

But I'm not sure a name has actually been decided - so it may just be a place holder for now.

View Poll Results: How to proceed with serious off-topic discussions
Add a new section "Salon" under Miscellaneous	89	80.91%
Add a new thread prefix "Keep it Sensible" to the Lounge	21	19.09%
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03-26-2009, 02:33 PM	#16
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	I have some questions. Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum? When discussing this issue in the thread that started this pole I mentioned wanting a forum that I could start threads like the following -- College textbooks -- are current readers inadequate An idea for book publishers Illustrations in ebooks A list of great ebook related sites A proposal to modernize copyright laws The case for digital piracy However, it was pointed out that these kinds of threads should be started in the "News and Commentary" forum. Is this true? Or are these the kind of topics that will be posted in the New Forum? Or is the intention for the New Forum to have non-ebook related posts that aren't of a banter type nature? If a new forum is added, I liked MOd BOb's suggestion about voting on the forum's name.

03-26-2009, 02:46 PM	#18
frabjous Wizard Posts: 1,213 Karma: 12890 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA Device: Sony PRS-505	Voted #2. Problem with a serious off-topic forum is that I doubt it'll get browsed as often--if I do have a question, I want casual browsers who are looking for lounging to at least get the opportunity to answer if the subject title catches their eye. And the same goes for when I'm looking to lounge and a serious subject happens to catch my eye...

03-26-2009, 02:49 PM	#19
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	Thanks BOb, that helps a lot. I've decided that in this case I don't have a dog in the hunt, so I'll leave it up to the users of the Lounge.

03-26-2009, 03:20 PM	#20
Wetdogeared Storm Surge'n Posts: 5,776 Karma: 8213195 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lobster Capital Device: S0ny PRS-300/350/505/700/T1	I'm still yet undecided. I would like to have seen the option to leave things as they are. I have no problems traversing the many forums in MR and picking up on the threads that interest me; but I realize the debate is over. At some point I'll probably vote for whichever option effects me the least. (Very Selfish of me, I know.) WDE.

03-26-2009, 04:30 PM	#24
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	I vote for #1 and getting rid of the "silly" prefix as it won't be necessary anymore. If you're in the lounge it will be a given that the threads are mostly silly. If you're in the "salon", things will be a bit more subdued.

03-26-2009, 05:02 PM	#29
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,501 Karma: 64095689 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	I agree with option 1 -- but "Salon" doesn't in any way imply serious to me. Is this a USA difference? "Salon-Seriously" would help! Or something else.

03-26-2009, 05:13 PM	#30
Sparrow Wizard Posts: 4,395 Karma: 1358132 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Device: Palm TX, CyBook Gen3	I think 'salon' is being used in the sense of an intellectual gathering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(gathering) But I'm not sure a name has actually been decided - so it may just be a place holder for now.