Strange problem with formatting

daesdaemar · 01-28-2009, 03:48 PM

This refers to an issue with an ebook file on my Sony 505, but I believe it has more to do with the formatting and thus I chose this forum as opposed to the Sony 505 forum.

I have a book in rtf format that I cleaned up, converted to html in MS Word, and then to lrf in Book Designer 4. It is a short book with the file size being only 0.5 MB. I import the ebook to Calibre and then to my 505. When I open the book in the 505, it actually goes through the formatting process for several hours before the book finally opens up, and each page turn takes 2 or 3 times longer than any other book I have. I have re-done the book several times and still get this strange behavior. Any ideas?

llasram · 01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daesdaemar

I have a book in rtf format that I cleaned up, converted to html in MS Word, and then to lrf in Book Designer 4. It is a short book with the file size being only 0.5 MB. I import the ebook to Calibre and then to my 505.

At least judging from Kovid's version control log comments, Book Designer produces pretty terrible LRFs. Try just converting the HTML to LRF (or EPUB!) directly with Calibre?

Andybaby · 01-28-2009, 09:13 PM

ive only ever seen a load time once in over 60 LRFs..
I use the sony library for syncing though

send me a copy of your HTML0 File, and the LRF and i will see if it happens on my 700.

Nate the great · 01-28-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daesdaemar

This refers to an issue with an ebook file on my Sony 505, but I believe it has more to do with the formatting and thus I chose this forum as opposed to the Sony 505 forum.

I have a book in rtf format that I cleaned up, converted to html in MS Word, and then to lrf in Book Designer 4. It is a short book with the file size being only 0.5 MB. I import the ebook to Calibre and then to my 505. When I open the book in the 505, it actually goes through the formatting process for several hours before the book finally opens up, and each page turn takes 2 or 3 times longer than any other book I have. I have re-done the book several times and still get this strange behavior. Any ideas?

I've been told that MSWord has truly horrible HTML formatting. Why don't you just import the RTF directly into calibre?

AnemicOak · 01-28-2009, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daesdaemar

This refers to an issue with an ebook file on my Sony 505, but I believe it has more to do with the formatting and thus I chose this forum as opposed to the Sony 505 forum.

I have a book in rtf format that I cleaned up, converted to html in MS Word, and then to lrf in Book Designer 4. It is a short book with the file size being only 0.5 MB. I import the ebook to Calibre and then to my 505. When I open the book in the 505, it actually goes through the formatting process for several hours before the book finally opens up, and each page turn takes 2 or 3 times longer than any other book I have. I have re-done the book several times and still get this strange behavior. Any ideas?

Why convert it to HTML in Word? BD will take the RTF directly without all the junk Word put into it's HTML. If you want PM me for an email addy and I'll try you file on my 505 to see if it does the same thing (or send the HTML0 and I'll process it in my BD install to see if anything different happens).

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Originally Posted by llasram

At least judging from Kovid's version control log comments, Book Designer produces pretty terrible LRFs. Try just converting the HTML to LRF (or EPUB!) directly with Calibre?

Do you know what's supposed to be wrong with them? I've made dozens of LRF's in BD and haven't had any problems with them.

HarryT · 01-29-2009, 03:05 AM

All my Sony books are created with BD. I've had no reports of excessive load times with them.

kovidgoyal · 01-29-2009, 04:15 AM

One of the major bugs in BD is how it handles unicode characters. The LRF format has a special structure for unicode, however BD just puts unicode directly into text streams, this can lead to invalid LRF files if the unicode happens to contain characters that when encoded correspond to formatting codes.

There are various other ways that the LRF generated by BD is sub-optimal, but I wont go into them here.

daesdaemar · 01-29-2009, 09:56 AM

Lots of good replies, thanks.

I'm going to play with it a bit and might take some of you folks up on emailing you the file to try on your devices.

daesdaemar · 01-29-2009, 04:37 PM

OK, here is what I did:

I tried to convert the book in rtf format with Calibre, but it failed. BTW, most of my rtf files will not convert in Calibre. I generally have to convert them to html first. Any ideas why?

I imported the rtf file into the Sony Connect software and then ported it to my 505 and it opened instantly. So, I guess I would have to suspect the problem is Book Designer???

kovidgoyal · 01-29-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daesdaemar

I tried to convert the book in rtf format with Calibre, but it failed. BTW, most of my rtf files will not convert in Calibre. I generally have to convert them to html first. Any ideas why?

THis happens for RTFs that violate the RTF spec an have non ASCII characters in them

01-28-2009, 03:48 PM	#1
daesdaemar Addict Posts: 210 Karma: 4282 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florida Device: Sony 505, Kindle 3, iPad 3	Strange problem with formatting This refers to an issue with an ebook file on my Sony 505, but I believe it has more to do with the formatting and thus I chose this forum as opposed to the Sony 505 forum. I have a book in rtf format that I cleaned up, converted to html in MS Word, and then to lrf in Book Designer 4. It is a short book with the file size being only 0.5 MB. I import the ebook to Calibre and then to my 505. When I open the book in the 505, it actually goes through the formatting process for several hours before the book finally opens up, and each page turn takes 2 or 3 times longer than any other book I have. I have re-done the book several times and still get this strange behavior. Any ideas?

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01-28-2009, 09:13 PM	#3
Andybaby Wizard Posts: 1,279 Karma: 1002683 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Device: PRS-700	ive only ever seen a load time once in over 60 LRFs.. I use the sony library for syncing though send me a copy of your HTML0 File, and the LRF and i will see if it happens on my 700.

01-29-2009, 03:05 AM	#6
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	All my Sony books are created with BD. I've had no reports of excessive load times with them.

01-29-2009, 04:15 AM	#7
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,844 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	One of the major bugs in BD is how it handles unicode characters. The LRF format has a special structure for unicode, however BD just puts unicode directly into text streams, this can lead to invalid LRF files if the unicode happens to contain characters that when encoded correspond to formatting codes. There are various other ways that the LRF generated by BD is sub-optimal, but I wont go into them here.

01-29-2009, 09:56 AM	#8
daesdaemar Addict Posts: 210 Karma: 4282 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florida Device: Sony 505, Kindle 3, iPad 3	Lots of good replies, thanks. I'm going to play with it a bit and might take some of you folks up on emailing you the file to try on your devices.

01-29-2009, 04:37 PM	#9
daesdaemar Addict Posts: 210 Karma: 4282 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florida Device: Sony 505, Kindle 3, iPad 3	OK, here is what I did: I tried to convert the book in rtf format with Calibre, but it failed. BTW, most of my rtf files will not convert in Calibre. I generally have to convert them to html first. Any ideas why? I imported the rtf file into the Sony Connect software and then ported it to my 505 and it opened instantly. So, I guess I would have to suspect the problem is Book Designer???

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