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Any discussion of market share should include both the low end and high end of the market. Of course you don't compare Reliant Robins with Ferraris, but to suggest that Reliant Robins aren't part of the overall market is simply wrong. Graham |
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Battery life, I'm sure, is terrible, but even a device that runs for a few hours only is useful and short battery life is unlikely to deter those on limited budgets. Graham Last edited by Graham; 11-22-2013 at 10:41 AM. |
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11-22-2013, 10:56 AM | #48 | |
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And I don't particularly favour anyone one company except in as far as I find their products do what I want so I have a Nexus 7, iPad mini, iPad 4 and Note 3... all of which I'm happy with unlike the few budget tablets/phones that having tried, I sold on as the junk they were... |
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But lets talk about your choice of sources. If you look closely at the text you will see that this: Quote:
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11-22-2013, 11:42 AM | #50 | |
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I wanted a player with a user replacable battery and external (SD type) storage, neither of which the iPod has. I can't get the user replacable battery, but I can get the SD chip reader. So when the player dies, I just pop out the chip and stick into a new player... And I can have 4 of these for the price of a new iPod Nano... |
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By all means make the point that developers are more likely to make sales to owners of high end devices, and so a high end presence will resist losing developers due to the erosion of market share better than a low end presence, but, as I said, the article is wrong to pretend that low end devices should not be considered to be part of the market share. Graham Last edited by Graham; 11-22-2013 at 01:45 PM. |
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11-22-2013, 04:49 PM | #53 |
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There’s a popular saying among lawyers: If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If neither is on your side, pound the table. Well, it seems to me Daniel Dilger at Apple Insider has simply done a little table pounding. Because the relevant facts or market trends are not on his side, he simply decided to question the motives, integrity and methodologies of the messengers.
Companies like Gartner make more money if their studies are impartial and scrupulously done. The idea that they should not include low-end tablets in a market share study of tablets is silly, and doing such a thing would probably cost them clients. A company like Rovio Mobile doesn’t care whether their next dollar for an Angry Birds sale comes from someone using a Hisense Sero tablet from Walmart or the priciest iPad Air. It’s all the same to them; the dollars are of equal worth. Most things coming from an “insider” site that is heavily associated with a partial side should be taken with a heavy grain of salt – be it Apple Insider or Android Insider. --Pat |
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11-22-2013, 05:31 PM | #55 |
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Pat, it is just as common a refrain from some Android supporters that the apps are coming (or app parity is coming). Reminds me of the Starck motto in GoT ("Winter is coming"). It just isn't there yet.
You do not have to hunt too hard to find complaints about the Android versions of various top apps. The reason I stated is quite simple to understand. You want links? Here you go -- http://www.developer.com/daily_news/...-ios-apps.html or http://stevecheney.com/why-android-first-is-a-myth/ . Check out http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...s-apple-google for some interesting statistics. I'm interested in stronger competition between them. Google needs to tighten up their hardware specifications for that to happen. But if there are too many Android apologists, as you sound like, then it won't happen and the gap in app quality will continue into the future. I am not an Apple-at-all-costs proponent. The new Nexus 5 phone is an awesome bit of kit for its price. I may yet switch to it myself. edit - I knew there was an ArsT article on these issues -- http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/...od-tablet-app/ but I admit another year is such that it bears revisiting to see if still true. Last edited by Penforhire; 11-22-2013 at 05:51 PM. |
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Numbers? Actually, the number of Android apps currently exceeds the numbers in Apple's store. Just a few years ago, iOS Apps numbered more than twice that of Android Apps. Now iOS is behind. Clearly the preference of late has been to develop first for Android. Or are you talking just about quality? As I said, I don't think the quality is much different today for most users. Most of the major apps in the Play store today are of similar quality to their iOS counterparts. I personally don't notice a difference. I am speaking from personal experience, but many Apple loyalists simply just repeat what they've read and have no or limited experience with Android, having only used old versions such as Froyo or Gingerbread. In the recent past, yes, there was a big gulf in app quality between the two platforms. But Android has grown up extremely fast. And that gap today is either insignificant or not there any more for most major apps. Quote:
As for the other two articles, instead of just posting links, can you pick out a few salient points from them that support the points in your comment to which I originally replied? Quote:
As for calling me an apologist, please refrain from the personal insults. There are many in this thread I feel are Apple apologists, but I'm not going to go around calling names. Finally, I'll ask again -- can you name a single major app that is significantly of poorer quality in Android than in iOS today? When I say major, I mean something like Netflix. --Pat |
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The second article's main point is that the cost of developing for Android is 2-3 times higher than for iOS so developers would never go Android first. The third article points out that there are apps that are not available on Android. But the apps in question are or have been iOS exclusive. And apparently some are happy to forfeit the App Store promotion that comes with having iOS exclusive titles for access to Android users. One app in particular has created some agitation when it was reported that during an internal meeting the head of EA Labels said: “Apple gave us a truckload of money to delay the Android version [of Plants vs Zombies 2],” The website 9to5Mac posted the reply made by EA and commented on the situation: Quote:
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11-23-2013, 03:34 AM | #58 |
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Normal thought: Good chart reduce dissension.
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Pat, sorry if you were offended by the word apologist. I figured it had the same tone and meaning as your "...common refrain heard from many of the Apple faithful."
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