01-29-2015, 07:28 PM | #25471 | |
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I think WE are more apathetic or self interested than sick to be shocked, although I am pretty sure I did not indicate in any way that I was shocked. I am not shocked, having encountered many incidents of this nature. Where I was raised it was considered great fun to kill a calf and put it in a stream to contaminate the water supply of a neighbour you weren't fond of. Killing for food is one thing, killing for sport another. Killing for revenge at least has a clear motivation. Killing just for fun/gratification or just because you can seems a lot worse IMO. None of us is perfect or without blame, but I cannot equate cutting of an animal's head, leaving the carcass to rot with normal human behaviour much as that is lacking in morality at times. Would you want to live in the vicinity of people who do such things. Helen |
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01-29-2015, 07:33 PM | #25472 |
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I'm fortunate to be able to get meat that I know where it came from and how raised.
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You are more than welcome to believe wholeheartedly in this (subjective) concept, but please be aware that the world is positively filled with people who disagree. From my perspective, the only evil thing about animal cruelty, is what it says about the person doing it. People who do such depraved things have a sick mind, and may very well progress to more "interesting" targets, like people. Either way, they should be strictly punished. Killing for food is a fundamental part of nature. (Ever seen, like, most of the animal kingdom?) If done strictly for that reason, it will naturally follow that unnecessary cruelty is avoided, at least by default (people often are far more careless than should be allowed, but that is not inherent in the idea of killing animals for food). There is nothing wrong with killing animals! There IS something deeply disturbing, and wrong, in glorying in their death!
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You are of course free to believe in your self justification of killings (if it makes you feel better) but know that the world is positively filled with people who disagree. History is full of people who believe they know which killings are right and which aren't and such people make ALWAYS IN THE END for the darkest pages of humanity's INglorious past. Quote:
But I guess I was just under the "delusion" of it... Last edited by Quexos; 01-30-2015 at 03:59 AM. |
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B) What, actually, would happen to all these animals from breeds/species that wouldn't even be here if we hadn't bred and raised them for food? You do know that there are many traditionally pet animals (cats, dogs) that can't find good homes, right? What will happen to all these domestic cows and pigs, not to mention poultry? No one is going to keep them in those numbers if they can't make a profit off of them. What is going to happen to all those animals if everyone becomes Vegan (or even just lacto-ovo)? C) None of this, in my opinion, has anything to do with the kind of evil that would brutally kill a cute, innocent baby goat not even intended for the meat market just for revenge or kicks or being evil teenagers. /BTW, I believe that animals do have consciousness. There are levels of consciousness, IMHO. Even plants respond to music, for example. Last edited by covingtoncat73; 01-30-2015 at 09:18 AM. |
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And thank you to all who expressed sympathy. It is a horrible thing to have happened.
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There is nothing wrong with the inherent idea of ending other lives, but there is something wrong with the idea of ending human life -- this overrides the base state. Not because "we have evolved", just basic courtesy to our fellow homo sapiens. Last edited by eschwartz; 01-30-2015 at 11:04 AM. |
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Unless one assumes eating meat IS the wanton cruelty, it seems.
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This is an excellent point -- more than mere "consciousness, on *some* level" is needed to make a collection of living cells deserving of special protection. |
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Really? The friend who owned the goats is named Morgana? Maybe she could reach back into some Fey background and a proper solution would just appear. Such as, a hand waving a sword from a lake or something.
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