New gen3 firmware - anyone tried it?

madmandegge · 09-14-2008, 11:41 AM

Anyone successfully used the newest gen3 firmware and used it to update their starebook? Am not liking the extremely short battery life I seem to get with the 685 firmware

HarryT · 09-15-2008, 03:16 AM

How do you obtain a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on the StareBook? Do Bookeen sell a separate licence for the firmware?

tompe · 09-15-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

How do you obtain a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on the StareBook? Do Bookeen sell a separate licence for the firmware?

Since Bookeen most probably are distributing material they do not have the copyright for they cannot sell you a licence.

HarryT · 09-15-2008, 06:50 AM

I thought they'd now satisfied the GPL by releasing source code?

tompe · 09-15-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I thought they'd now satisfied the GPL by releasing source code?

If you read the thread it does not seem to be the case since code for drivers have been removed from the source they have distributed.

HarryT · 09-15-2008, 11:56 AM

Be that as it may, I'd still be interested to know how the original poster has obtained a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on this other device!

tompe · 09-15-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Be that as it may, I'd still be interested to know how the original poster has obtained a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on this other device!

It seems impossible to obtain such a licence so why do you wonder that? And if you in some way have en electronic files in most country you can do whatever you want with it. Why do you think a licence is needed?

HarryT · 09-15-2008, 12:10 PM

Don't you think that a portion of the price of the Gen3 is payment for the software on it? I'm sure that Bookeen are paying Mobi some kind of royalty payment for every machine that they sell. If one hasn't bought a Gen3, one has no right to use that software.

That's my suspicion, anyway. What do you think?

tompe · 09-15-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Don't you think that a portion of the price of the Gen3 is payment for the software on it? I'm sure that Bookeen are paying Mobi some kind of royalty payment for every machine that they sell. If one hasn't bought a Gen3, one has no right to use that software.

That's my suspicion, anyway. What do you think?

I do not think you have the moral right to use the software in the Cybook even if you bought it because of the GPL issue.

If you buy something you can sign a contract promising things. I am not sure exactly what you can sign away according to laws. But in this case why do you assume that the firmware is bought? There are links in this forum were you can download the firmware without saying you accept any conditions. Or you can get the firmware from a friend. So legally you can use it.

wallcraft · 09-15-2008, 01:09 PM

Putting aside the issue of GPLed software in the Bookeen image, a licence is still needed to use the MobiPocket reading capability. Cybook owners get a MobiPocket licence via Bookeen, but running this on a starebook is definitely bootlegging the MobiPocket copyrighted software.

Krystian Galaj · 09-15-2008, 02:38 PM

Bookeen doesn't currently conform to GPL not only because they didn't issue full source code, but also because they have to make it known to the user that the application contains GPLed code - for example in the About page - and latest firmware version doesn't do that. So currently Bookeen firmware is illegal in all countries that respect GPL, and using it is just like using pirated software.

When they start conforming to GPL, the Linux kernel and operating system they use on Cybooks will be free, and every user should be able to install it - however, without Bookeen's BooReader application, ie reader and library application, which contain Mobipocket's code, and don't contain any GPLed code, as far as I know (they might contain GPLed code for mp3 player, but I'm not sure about that).

If Bookeen doesn't make it possible to install and use Linux on Cybook without their application, it would mean the application and Linux should be considered a single module, and then the application would have to be released under GPL as well for the firmware to conform to GPL license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-lice...ereAggregation)

So in my understanding, some more time will pass before that firmware becomes legal to use.

Krystian Galaj · 09-15-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Don't you think that a portion of the price of the Gen3 is payment for the software on it? I'm sure that Bookeen are paying Mobi some kind of royalty payment for every machine that they sell. If one hasn't bought a Gen3, one has no right to use that software.

Bookeen don't have permission to use the software either. So even if one bought a Gen3, one has no right to use the software.

HarryT · 09-16-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

If Bookeen doesn't make it possible to install and use Linux on Cybook without their application, it would mean the application and Linux should be considered a single module, and then the application would have to be released under GPL as well for the firmware to conform to GPL license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-lice...ereAggregation)

So in my understanding, some more time will pass before that firmware becomes legal to use.

By your definition, NO eBook reader is "legal" to use then, because on none of them is it possible to install Linux without the associated reading application. You can't install Linux on a Sony Reader without Sony's reading application, so does this mean that, in your view, it is "illegal" to use a Sony Reader?

You are seriously saying that all these companies are selling illegal products? With respect, I'm sure that they all employ lawyers who know rather more about what is or is not legal to sell than you or I do.

This strikes me as being a quite ridiculous argument

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HarryT · 09-16-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

Bookeen don't have permission to use the software either. So even if one bought a Gen3, one has no right to use the software.

So you're not using yours, then?

tompe · 09-16-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

By your definition, NO eBook reader is "legal" to use then, because on none of them is it possible to install Linux without the associated reading application. You can't install Linux on a Sony Reader without Sony's reading application, so does this mean that, in your view, it is "illegal" to use a Sony Reader?

You are seriously saying that all these companies are selling illegal products? With respect, I'm sure that they all employ lawyers who know rather more about what is or is not legal to sell than you or I do.

I am sure they do not. I am sure we know better how GPL works than Bookeen.

I do not understand why you refuse to accept that when Bookeen sell a Cybook it is copyright infringement. But if nobody takes them to court it is pretty safe to continue selling the Cybook.

According to GPL2 you do not have to be able to install the firmware. In GPL3 the seller has to provide the method to install the firmware. So for the Cybook they do not have to provide the installation method.

09-14-2008, 11:41 AM	#1
madmandegge Enthusiast Posts: 49 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: None yet	New gen3 firmware - anyone tried it? Anyone successfully used the newest gen3 firmware and used it to update their starebook? Am not liking the extremely short battery life I seem to get with the 685 firmware

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	How do you obtain a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on the StareBook? Do Bookeen sell a separate licence for the firmware?

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I thought they'd now satisfied the GPL by releasing source code?

09-15-2008, 11:56 AM	#6
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Be that as it may, I'd still be interested to know how the original poster has obtained a licence to run the Gen3's firmware on this other device!

09-15-2008, 12:10 PM	#8
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Don't you think that a portion of the price of the Gen3 is payment for the software on it? I'm sure that Bookeen are paying Mobi some kind of royalty payment for every machine that they sell. If one hasn't bought a Gen3, one has no right to use that software. That's my suspicion, anyway. What do you think?

09-15-2008, 01:09 PM	#10
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	Putting aside the issue of GPLed software in the Bookeen image, a licence is still needed to use the MobiPocket reading capability. Cybook owners get a MobiPocket licence via Bookeen, but running this on a starebook is definitely bootlegging the MobiPocket copyrighted software.

09-15-2008, 02:38 PM	#11
Krystian Galaj Guru Posts: 820 Karma: 11012 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Bookeen Cybook	Bookeen doesn't currently conform to GPL not only because they didn't issue full source code, but also because they have to make it known to the user that the application contains GPLed code - for example in the About page - and latest firmware version doesn't do that. So currently Bookeen firmware is illegal in all countries that respect GPL, and using it is just like using pirated software. When they start conforming to GPL, the Linux kernel and operating system they use on Cybooks will be free, and every user should be able to install it - however, without Bookeen's BooReader application, ie reader and library application, which contain Mobipocket's code, and don't contain any GPLed code, as far as I know (they might contain GPLed code for mp3 player, but I'm not sure about that). If Bookeen doesn't make it possible to install and use Linux on Cybook without their application, it would mean the application and Linux should be considered a single module, and then the application would have to be released under GPL as well for the firmware to conform to GPL license. (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-lice...ereAggregation) So in my understanding, some more time will pass before that firmware becomes legal to use.

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