Question regarding library issue

CribQuilter · 02-28-2011, 04:23 PM

Netflix; you can "rent" one of their instantly downloadable movies. Do the movie company distrubitors give them a limited number total downloads they can give out? Because this is in effect the same thing as ebooks, right?

Giggleton · 02-28-2011, 06:13 PM

Some of those streaming movies do come with time limitations, they are only available to stream until a set date in the future. Netflix does offer physical copies of their movies though which alleviates some of the concern.

Should the purchase of an ebook by a library allow them to print a number of copies for their patrons? It might quell some of the unrest, but soon most readers will be reading ebooks and won't need physical copies, so that isn't a workable solution.

???

taustin · 02-28-2011, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Some of those streaming movies do come with time limitations, they are only available to stream until a set date in the future.

Which is a completely different thing from only being able to rent it a fixed number of times.

hgwlackey · 02-28-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by taustin

Which is a completely different thing from only being able to rent it a fixed number of times.

There's not so much difference between Netflix paying for a license to stream a movie for X number of days and a library paying to license X number of checkouts of an ebook.

Giggleton · 03-01-2011, 01:06 AM

I'm not aware of a netflix policy whereby a movie will be deleted from its servers once a set number of downloads has been reached.

The time thing was similar I thought, which is why I mentioned it. If you really want to know the answer to this question, call Netflix.

More interesting, at least to me and pertaining to the Harpercollins Library Debacle, is the fact that a good portion of books that are checked out from libraries are not read, perhaps a portion of all of them are, but I expect some taxpayer money to be lost to the aether of unread books if this idea is spread beyond where it currently sits.

An example,

10 people check out a book and read it in its entirety

The next 5 people check out the book then forget about it and the book is deleted from their reader.

11 more people check out the book and read it in its entirety.

---------

How many book reads have been lost?

5

But the money for those reads has already been transferred to the publishing company, I do hope this is clear, they have been paid by the taxpayer for nothing.

To be fair, this has not yet occurred, as least to my knowledge, But the fact that the idea has been taken as far it has, it does not bode well.

taustin · 03-01-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hgwlackey

There's not so much difference between Netflix paying for a license to stream a movie for X number of days and a library paying to license X number of checkouts of an ebook.

I've seen no mention of any changes in prices charged to libraries. In other words, they're expected to pay the same price for a tiny fraction of the same thing.

I know I won't be buying anything from this publisher again.

JeremyR · 03-01-2011, 07:48 PM

http://www.tested.com/news/how-much-...licenses/1662/

Apparently Netflix originally got a sweetheart deal, but now the companies want more. It's paying $200 million to Disney for the rights to stream their movies just for this year...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-netflix-71957

(Another reason libraries should just stick to books...)

Joykins · 03-02-2011, 04:02 PM

I only read about half of my library checkouts. Sad, I know.

pietrocrazy · 03-02-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Joykins

I only read about half of my library checkouts. Sad, I know.

Not sad at all! That's always been the great thing about libraries... you can go and pick out an armful of books you think you might like, and there's no cost to you (other than time) if it turns out the book sucks and you stop reading it after a chapter or if you never get around to reading it in the first place. You can discover new authors and new genres through free trial and error, whereas if you had to buy all your books you might be more hesitant to try something you may not like.

Yay libraries

Giggleton · 03-02-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pietrocrazy

Not sad at all! That's always been the great thing about libraries... you can go and pick out an armful of books you think you might like, and there's no cost to you (other than time) if it turns out the book sucks and you stop reading it after a chapter or if you never get around to reading it in the first place. You can discover new authors and new genres through free trial and error, whereas if you had to buy all your books you might be more hesitant to try something you may not like.

Yay libraries

If this harpercollins garbage stands up, which I don't think it will, each checkout is bought and paid for by the library, whether it is read or not.

Joykins · 03-02-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

If this harpercollins garbage stands up, which I don't think it will, each checkout is bought and paid for by the library, whether it is read or not.

Yeah. I mean, I would feel guilty checking out an HC book that I might not read if I knew it meant denying other people a chance later.

HarryT · 03-03-2011, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

If this harpercollins garbage stands up, which I don't think it will, each checkout is bought and paid for by the library, whether it is read or not.

In most countries, the "Public Lending Right" (which the US rather strangely lacks) means that it costs the library system money whenever you borrow a paper book.

02-28-2011, 04:23 PM	#1
CribQuilter Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 306 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: Sony PRS-505	Question regarding library issue Netflix; you can "rent" one of their instantly downloadable movies. Do the movie company distrubitors give them a limited number total downloads they can give out? Because this is in effect the same thing as ebooks, right?

03-01-2011, 07:48 PM	#7
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	http://www.tested.com/news/how-much-...licenses/1662/ Apparently Netflix originally got a sweetheart deal, but now the companies want more. It's paying $200 million to Disney for the rights to stream their movies just for this year... http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-netflix-71957 (Another reason libraries should just stick to books...) Last edited by JeremyR; 03-01-2011 at 07:52 PM.

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02-28-2011, 06:13 PM	#2
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	Some of those streaming movies do come with time limitations, they are only available to stream until a set date in the future. Netflix does offer physical copies of their movies though which alleviates some of the concern. Should the purchase of an ebook by a library allow them to print a number of copies for their patrons? It might quell some of the unrest, but soon most readers will be reading ebooks and won't need physical copies, so that isn't a workable solution. ???

03-01-2011, 01:06 AM	#5
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	I'm not aware of a netflix policy whereby a movie will be deleted from its servers once a set number of downloads has been reached. The time thing was similar I thought, which is why I mentioned it. If you really want to know the answer to this question, call Netflix. More interesting, at least to me and pertaining to the Harpercollins Library Debacle, is the fact that a good portion of books that are checked out from libraries are not read, perhaps a portion of all of them are, but I expect some taxpayer money to be lost to the aether of unread books if this idea is spread beyond where it currently sits. An example, 10 people check out a book and read it in its entirety The next 5 people check out the book then forget about it and the book is deleted from their reader. 11 more people check out the book and read it in its entirety. --------- How many book reads have been lost? 5 But the money for those reads has already been transferred to the publishing company, I do hope this is clear, they have been paid by the taxpayer for nothing. To be fair, this has not yet occurred, as least to my knowledge, But the fact that the idea has been taken as far it has, it does not bode well.

03-02-2011, 04:02 PM	#8
Joykins Wizard Posts: 1,601 Karma: 9211856 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini	I only read about half of my library checkouts. Sad, I know.

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