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This was kind of fun so I will play around with it and see what you can easily do. |
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It would've been nice if Amazon had taken the initiative to drive ePub, but again, they are a commercial entity, devoted to profit, and they clearly made the decisions that they expect will get them the most profit they can. That's great! Taking that kind of initiative to optimize the Kindle (or any e-book reader) for your use is just what we like to hear around here! |
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Mobi does support UTF-8 (-unicode switch of mobigen). I'm pretty sure Kindle can read those, but it's possible that the bundled fonts do not have Greek characters.
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11-25-2007, 08:31 AM | #22 | |
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Latin is no problem, but for ancient Greek you really need to use a format such as PDF which supports embedded fonts, and embed a suitable font into the document. Unicode supports modern Greek, but not the accents and breathing marks required for ancient Greek. Mobi isn't a good choice of format for ancient Greek. |
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11-25-2007, 08:46 AM | #23 |
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Unicode fully supports ancient Greek, of course. What Mobi supports is a different matter.
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11-25-2007, 08:57 AM | #24 |
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But the typical user is highly unlikely to have a font with the appropriate characters in it. What I meant was that the only way to guarantee that the text will be readable by the end user is to embed the font in the document and (AFAIK) Mobi doesn't support font embedding, unlike PDF (and also the Sony Reader too).
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11-25-2007, 09:40 AM | #25 | |
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So when Bookeen says that Gen3 supports Mobipocket how do I know what html will work on Gen3? Will things not in the Mobipocket format work if the Gen3 reader happens to understand the unpacked html file? What I am wondering is if you can take any html file and pack it into the container and have a Mobipocket file or do you have to convert the HTML first to some Mobipocket HTML? Anyway, my html2mobi script can now take a list of HTML files and automatically generate a table of content and then create one HTML file that is then converted to a mobi file. The next step is to exetend this to follow links to files so I can convert a tree fetched with wget. |
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11-25-2007, 10:16 AM | #26 | |
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Amazon/MobiPocket appears to intend to support EPUB the way they currently support CHM (say). It will be imported into Windows MobiPocket Reader (only) and converted to MOBI. The Kindle could do a similar conversion on Amazon's servers. This is technically a terrible approach, even if MobiPocket upgrades the MOBI format to provide more EPUB compatibility. However, it is understandable from MobiPocket's perspective. When you have support for multiple device types, how do you switch them to a new format? The only possible answer (given limited resources, and an existing code base that probably was not designed for extendability) is first to convert to the old format and second to upgrade the software on each device (one by one) to read the new format natively. I just hope that MobiPocket will get to step two. The sluggishness of Amazon may provide an opportunity for others. For example, if ETI could productize an e-ink reader that reads EPUB like their prototype apparently does then they might gain a significant advantage. Even Adobe might have a chance if they ever work out how to design a reader interface for Digital Editions that does not suck. |
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11-25-2007, 10:37 AM | #28 |
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It's not a problem on the Sony as it is, because Sony's LRF format supports font embedding. I uploaded an ancient Greek version of book 1 of Homer's "Odyssey" to the "Book Uploads" section a few months ago as an example of this.
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11-25-2007, 11:57 AM | #29 |
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Here's a point I'd like to make, even if it's not entirely relevant to this thread. Why the endlessly reiterated insistence, in these forums, that PDF is an awful, horrible format for ebooks? The LRF format may support font embedding, but the applications for generating LRF output (I say as a bystander, not having given one a good try myself) seem to have severe typographic limitations. So I think PDF support is a necessity in an ebook (or etext) reading device, unless all you want is something like what I take the Kindle to be, a sort of pricey, branded shopping bag for commercial ebooks in this or that currently popular crippled format.
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11-25-2007, 12:02 PM | #30 | |
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Many journals, especially in the sciences, use TeX for typesetting, so there's a very easy and rapid path to reflowable text for them. The Perseus project just made all of their public-domain texts available in XML, which is the academic standard for manipulation of documents. As an interchange format you really don't get much better. The bottom line is that I need to transform these documents via XSLT into something suitable for e-readers, but the Kindle throws up way too many roadblocks. Most of the big document databases (see a big listing here) use XML for document interchange for the best of reasons. So what you have here is the e-book world being completely divorced from the academic world, which is probably not a good means for ensuring its long-term survivability. Sigh. |
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