Font Rescaling Question

Thasaidon · 10-29-2012, 08:44 AM

Just to show I have read the manual - the manual states:-

The base font size of a document is the most common font size in that document, i.e., the size of the bulk of text in that document. When you specify a Base font size, calibre automatically rescales all font sizes in the document proportionately, so that the most common font size becomes the specified base font size and other font sizes are rescaled appropriately.

I have been converting some HTML files to ePub with a specified Base of 18pt. (my eyesight is not as good as it was).

When the file is converted I find that in the CSS the "Calibre" class?/style? contains an 'em' size equivalent to 18pt and that the Body tag in the main files contain refer to "Calibre".

The problem is that the bulk of the text is controlled by a different class?/style? (e.g. "Calibre1") which is usually '1em'. I have been manually amending this font size but from the above quote this should not be necessary.

Following a tip I found in another thread I changed the Font size key values to 16pt, 16pt, 18pt, 20pt, 22pt 24pt. After converting another file and found no difference. I use the generic ereader profiles for input and output.

What have I missed and need to learn?

DoctorOhh · 10-29-2012, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

Following a tip I found in another thread I changed the Font size key values to 16pt, 16pt, 18pt, 20pt, 22pt 24pt. After converting another file and found no difference. I use the generic ereader profiles for input and output.

What have I missed and need to learn?

What you may have missed is that calibre remembers conversions settings per book. If you go to preferences - common options and change the settings these settings will be used for all future new conversions. Redoing old conversions may use old saved settings. When redoing an old conversion either drill down into the conversion and make the changes or click the "Restore defaults" button at the bottom of the conversion page, see attached.

Good Luck.

Thasaidon · 10-30-2012, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoctorOhh

What you may have missed is that calibre remembers conversions settings per book. If you go to preferences - common options and change the settings Good Luck.

Thanks for the suggestion but I can say that is something I am aware of. I always click on "Restore Defaults" except whan I specifically want to retain where I have changed them.

Thasaidon · 11-03-2012, 05:41 AM

I have been doing a little investigation. Just to make things clear it is the first time I have converted the HTM files concerned.

Before converting the last file I stripped out all formatting excepr for <p> paragraphs and <h3> headings,

When I converted the file the bulk of the text was controlled by the "Calibre1" CSS element with a font size of 1em. The only other text was the headings.

Has the way the Font Rescaling changed is it broken or am I missing something?

DoctorOhh · 11-03-2012, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

Before converting the last file I stripped out all formatting excepr for <p> paragraphs and <h3> headings,

When I converted the file the bulk of the text was controlled by the "Calibre1" CSS element with a font size of 1em. The only other text was the headings.

Has the way the Font Rescaling changed is it broken or am I missing something?

I just checked and the font scale is working for me. After I convert a ePub my base font is 1.25em (15pt). I attached my settings.

jackie_w · 11-03-2012, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

I have been doing a little investigation. Just to make things clear it is the first time I have converted the HTM files concerned.

Before converting the last file I stripped out all formatting excepr for <p> paragraphs and <h3> headings,

When I converted the file the bulk of the text was controlled by the "Calibre1" CSS element with a font size of 1em. The only other text was the headings.

Has the way the Font Rescaling changed is it broken or am I missing something?

If your converted epub's html looks something like:

Code:

<body class="calibre">
<h3 class="calibre2"Chapter 1</h3>
<p class="calibre1">This is the first main body paragraph.</p>
<p class="calibre1">This is the second main body paragraph.</p>
<p class="calibre3">Third para contains really small text.</p>

and its css file something like:

Code:

.calibre {font-size: 1.5em; ...}
.calibre1 {font-size: 1em; ...}
.calibre2 {font-size: 2em; ...}
.calibre3 {font-size: 0.5em; ...}

Then I would expect your epub to actually display as follows, because font-sizes of nested items are multiplicative:

Main body paragraphs: size = 1.5em x 1em = 1.5em, i.e. 18pt
h3 headings: size = 1.5em x 2em = 3em, i.e. 36pt
3rd small para: size = 1.5em x 0.5em = 0.75em, i.e. 9pt

The <p> and <h3> are children of <body> so they inherit the 1.5em from body css multiplied by any font-size (if any) in their own <p> or <h3> class.

Is this clear as mud?

Thasaidon · 11-04-2012, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackie_w

If your converted epub's html looks something like:
[
Is this clear as mud?

Thanks for that it clarified my hazy ideas of how that worked.

Thanks also to DoctorOhh for your help.

In a day or so when I have a little time I will try another conversion being very careful to m,ake a note of the conditions before and the results after. If the results are the same I will post them up and you can then tell me what I am misunderstanding

Thanks again

Barb-B · 11-10-2012, 01:27 AM

You mentioned stripping out some of the markup. Does that mean you have Sigil? Or did you use some other tool? If you have Sigil, it should be pretty easy to edit the css styles to get your fonts bigger. If you don't have Sigil, I highly recommend it. I've found it much easier to get my files exactly the way I want them with it than by messing around with Calibre conversion settings. With a short period for learning curve, you can do all kinds of cool stuff to your files.

Thasaidon · 11-11-2012, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb-B

You mentioned stripping out some of the markup. Does that mean you have Sigil? .

Thanks Barb-B, I am familiar with and do use Sigil but in this case I used Tag Stripper to strip a HTML file to its bare bones.

I thought Calibre was not behaving as described bu it was just ignorance about how CSS files worked on my part. Unfortunately until I retire next year I have only limited time to spend acquiring such knowledge.

theducks · 11-11-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

Thanks Barb-B, I am familiar with and do use Sigil but in this case I used Tag Stripper to strip a HTML file to its bare bones.

I thought Calibre was not behaving as described bu it was just ignorance about how CSS files worked on my part. Unfortunately until I retire next year I have only limited time to spend acquiring such knowledge.

CSS is fairly easy, when you think of it as moving all that long (repetitive) styling to a common place (the stylesheet) and using a shortname instead

The green, is my explanation and not to be included in a CSS as is.
Different calibre numbers may assigned for each conversion AND you can still use your own names in edits. Use a name (selector) i a document, then it should be in some linked CSS.

Code:

Make the first paragraph (used as a Sub title) after any H2: italic
h2 + p {
	font-style: italic;
	}
The standard document (body) style. You could change the name to body if there were no bony variants needed
.calibre {
    display: block;
    font-size: 1.2em;
    margin-bottom: 0;
    margin-left: 2pt;
    margin-right: 16pt;
    margin-top: 0;
    padding-left: 0;
    padding-right: 0;
    page-break-before: always
    }
The standard NON-indented Paragraph style
.calibre2 {
    display: block;
    margin-bottom: 0.5em;
    margin-left: 0;
    margin-right: 0;
    margin-top: 0.5em;
    text-align: justify;
    text-indent: 0
    }
The standard indented Paragraph style
.calibre3 {
    display: block;
    margin-bottom: 0.5em;
    margin-left: 0;
    margin-right: 0;
    margin-top: 0.5em;
    text-align: justify;
    text-indent: 2em
    }

The advantage of this, 1 change in a CSS fixes all the usage

10-29-2012, 08:44 AM	#1
Thasaidon Hedge Wizard Posts: 800 Karma: 19999999 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK/Philippines Device: Kobo Touch, Nook Simple	Font Rescaling Question Just to show I have read the manual - the manual states:- The base font size of a document is the most common font size in that document, i.e., the size of the bulk of text in that document. When you specify a Base font size, calibre automatically rescales all font sizes in the document proportionately, so that the most common font size becomes the specified base font size and other font sizes are rescaled appropriately. I have been converting some HTML files to ePub with a specified Base of 18pt. (my eyesight is not as good as it was). When the file is converted I find that in the CSS the "Calibre" class?/style? contains an 'em' size equivalent to 18pt and that the Body tag in the main files contain refer to "Calibre". The problem is that the bulk of the text is controlled by a different class?/style? (e.g. "Calibre1") which is usually '1em'. I have been manually amending this font size but from the above quote this should not be necessary. Following a tip I found in another thread I changed the Font size key values to 16pt, 16pt, 18pt, 20pt, 22pt 24pt. After converting another file and found no difference. I use the generic ereader profiles for input and output. What have I missed and need to learn?

11-03-2012, 05:41 AM	#4
Thasaidon Hedge Wizard Posts: 800 Karma: 19999999 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK/Philippines Device: Kobo Touch, Nook Simple	I have been doing a little investigation. Just to make things clear it is the first time I have converted the HTM files concerned. Before converting the last file I stripped out all formatting excepr for <p> paragraphs and <h3> headings, When I converted the file the bulk of the text was controlled by the "Calibre1" CSS element with a font size of 1em. The only other text was the headings. Has the way the Font Rescaling changed is it broken or am I missing something? Last edited by Thasaidon; 11-03-2012 at 05:43 AM. Reason: typos

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Barb-B Tech appreciator Posts: 23 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Onyx Boox Kepler Pro (wow I love this reader!)	You mentioned stripping out some of the markup. Does that mean you have Sigil? Or did you use some other tool? If you have Sigil, it should be pretty easy to edit the css styles to get your fonts bigger. If you don't have Sigil, I highly recommend it. I've found it much easier to get my files exactly the way I want them with it than by messing around with Calibre conversion settings. With a short period for learning curve, you can do all kinds of cool stuff to your files.