Copyright is Out of Sight

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Share everything you are capable of everywhere you can.

Aw, go read some Ayn Rand.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Written history goes back about 5000 years, during most of this time it was perfectly acceptable to manually copy anothers words and disseminate the knowledge to whomever you so chose....
Copyright?

Yes, you have the right to copy, and now the means to do so, more effectively than ever before!

Ah yes, we now have the capability to destroy entire populations as we see fit more effectively than ever before. Why should we not use it?

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

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Share everything you are capable of everywhere you can.

aids, bird flu, dengue fever.... sure. Why not. That which does not kill me, makes me stronger.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Monetary interests? What about the interests of the species? ....

OMG. Here we go again. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Hell even Kali and I used the same weapons example. It must be the end times!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Fbone

That is the most creative reason to pirate I've heard. Survival of earth and the human species.

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[Jellby]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Written history goes back about 5000 years, during most of this time it was perfectly acceptable to manually copy anothers words and disseminate the knowledge to whomever you so chose.

The human species exists since around 200,000 years, for most of that period it was perfectly OK to live without reading or writing, let alone using a computer!

Using "tradition" as an argument is prone to fallacies.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Why shouldn't writers get their fair share? They shouldn't get paid just so that freeloaders like you have more money in their pockets? Sorry, but why should people sign up for nonsense like that?

Define "fair share"?

Why should the time limited monpol do distribute something be in a certain way and how can you argue that a specific way is "fair"?

[tompe]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Do you work for free?

In what way is this relevant to what monopol the state should give certain persons?

If I want to get paid by the state to be at home reading books must I then be paid for my work reading books? Why should I be entitled to make a living of whatever I choose to do?

[sircastor]

Originally Posted by Catlady

Aw, go read some Ayn Rand.

In a post 1980's corporate America, we've come to think of money as bad, and monetary compensation as bad. If we'd only all contribute what we can and take only what we need everything would be just great.

Except that model doesn't work. It doesn't work because people (unfortunately) are imperfect. It's a heck of a lot easier to not contribute all you can and take more than you need. Especially when it comes to things that are not necessary. Some people need no XBoxes, Some people need 1 XBox, some people need 5 (really?)

The way we make this function work well is we choose to exchange value for items that we need and want. If you want an Xbox, you have to provide some value to someone who will provide you the means of getting it. Sometimes that's making Pizzas, sometimes it's programming computer, fixing cars, plowing fields, etc. Sometimes it's writing books and sometimes it's curating libraries. Because it's difficult and awkward to carrying around a bag full of xboxes, I use a representation of the value I've provided for others. It's called currency.

If no one is willing to exchange for the written book or the work in the library, fewer if any people will be willing to do it. That number continues to reduce because we have needs that have to be met first (food, shelter, clothing)

Copyright helps protect individuals who make value for others through creative work.

I could really go on for ages about this stuff, but my point is that copyright is not a bad thing. Its abuses are, and we should work to abolish them.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by tompe

In what way is this relevant to what monopol the state should give certain persons?

If I want to get paid by the state to be at home reading books must I then be paid for my work reading books? Why should I be entitled to make a living of whatever I choose to do?

You are not entitled to the living. You ARE entitled to attempt to sell the products of your labour for the price that you deem appropriate to ask for them, whether you are a cabinet maker or a book author. Of course, people may not wish to buy them at the price you're asking, in which case you won't make a living, but that's very different to saying that someone is entitled to take them for free.

But you know all this as well as I do.

[Connallmac]

Originally Posted by Catlady

Aw, go read some Ayn Rand.

Now there's no need to curse in public!

[carld]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I don't think price or saving money is the main motivation for most people, though it certainly will be for some. Convenience and (a lack of) visibility of the legal product will be the main driver. That and pirate sites having a 10 year headstart over legal digital content.

I completely disagree. Everyone I've ever known who has pirated stuff has done it because they didn't want to pay for it. Especially these days when it's pretty easy to make a legitimate purchase and download off the net.

[Connallmac]

Originally Posted by Kali Yuga

Oh? Both China and Russia have lax attitudes towards copyright and trademark enforcement; in fact they're perfectly happy to ignore it. Yet they also have a stranglehold on public information and routinely suppress free speech. Care to explain that correlation?

When did correlation begin equaling causation?

[carld]

Originally Posted by tompe

Define "fair share"?

Why should the time limited monpol do distribute something be in a certain way and how can you argue that a specific way is "fair"?

Because its their creation and their right to do whatever the hell they want to with it. You have NO rights to their work. They get to decide what's fair.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by carld

I completely disagree. Everyone I've ever known who has pirated stuff has done it because they didn't want to pay for it. Especially these days when it's pretty easy to make a legitimate purchase and download off the net.

If it is only about saving money, how would you explain this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4718249.stm