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For the iPad it WILL be the ecosystem (which I acknowledge above before your post), but you missed my point which wasn't "The iPad offers you nothing over MIDs" but that "People are largely deceiving themselves as to why they want the iPad specifically." If it's for couch surfing, toilet reading, etc. all of that functionality exists in MIDs (which by the way will work with iTunes for media, remember it's a standalone cross platform media player/organizer/store that can run independently on a desktop just fine). If it's for the app store, and Apple brand, the the iPad is your only choice but very few declare that as why they want or need the iPad. So it's a case of Apple telling them, "This is what the iPad can do." and them saying, "Oooh, I want that." NOT people saying, "This is what I want to do" FIRST and "Oooh, MIDs can do that... and so can the iPad." |
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02-12-2010, 11:12 AM | #77 |
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hmm. so the past few years of people saying they wanted an apple tablet device to watch movies, read books, listen to music, play games on, etc. doesn't count? people saying for the past 2 years they like the ipod touch but wish it was bigger doesn't count?
and, no offense, no one on here can speak "for the people" for what they need, want, can do or can't do. you certainly haven't polled me. |
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02-12-2010, 11:42 AM | #78 | |
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I just don't buy the "deceiving themselves" argument for any product. Although I notice it mostly comes up when discussing Apple-and specifically with "other people" who use Apple products |
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Once again, branding, my very point. Quote:
"Even though nearly 60% of all netbook owners say they purchased their netbook because of its portability, almost 60% say they use it solely in the home." I also gave the example of the iPhone sales increase despite the total cost of the phone and plan INCREASING just because the initial outlay was a little bit less. You give consumers a little too much credit. As for trying to discredit by making it about an Anti-Apple stance, that's unbecoming particularly when I have several Apple products. |
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And do I give consumers too much credit? Maybe. Or maybe I just don't presume to judge them on what they decide to spend their money on. Last edited by kjk; 02-12-2010 at 12:06 PM. |
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The semantic game is cute but you can read the survey, the portability discussed is "did you buy this to use outside of the home" (although you will have to search- not too hard- for the full copyright-infringing report online).
As for the credit response, you realize insisting a "lack" of judgment upon the public is just as much a judgment as to their capability? The only difference is I've got empirical data. |
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Claiming people are "deceiving themselves" because they don't just go buy MIDs just seems a bit odd to me. |
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The difference is how one perceives their marketing, branding, and pricing. Some people insist that all that separates Apple's products from everyone else's is branding and marketing and pricing. I just disagree with that assessment. |
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02-12-2010, 12:51 PM | #84 | |
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Second, itunes is only for people who can't bother pirate stuff. Even among ipod owners, about 80% do NEVER buy anything on itunes. People just pirate stuff or rip their own CDs/DVDs. Yet, the remaining 20% of ipod owners that did buy at least 1 song in itunes are still a large amount of people because apple literally sold hundreds of millions of ipods. Do you pride yourself for buying overpriced locked-in contents on the itunes? For someone who understands how to register and use online forums, I wouldn't consider it to be very hip for someone like you to actually support the itunes scheme. Give me a break. Apple products are the absolute worst media players in the history of consumer electronics. No DivX, no XviD, no Flac, no Ogg Vorbis, no Mpeg2 (DVD format), no Windows Media video/audio (format of all other DRMed content stores than itunes), no Flash support (format of 95% of online video streaming), no Mass Storage support (forces you to install bloatware itunes to even use!!!), no extendable memory slots (every other product on the market supports SD cards), locked access to apps and it actually bricks jailbroken devices.. I could go on. That is just wrong. Most ipod owners pirate all of their music (either BitTorrent or knowing someone who can transfer pirated music). The apple products sell because they become fashion symbols for some reason. It's all about trend, it's all about design and external aestetics and about a thirst for gadgets that somehow apple has managed to capture through viral marketing. Last edited by Charbax; 02-12-2010 at 12:53 PM. |
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Huh? At least for music, iTunes prices are pretty fair. About the same as most other stores, though they have fewer sales than say Amazon. And all the music is DRM free. Video is a different matter. So at least for music I see no scheme and nothing wrong with buying from them.
And discounting it's use to people because of Piracy is silly. I've never pirated anything, and never well. I've also bought very few MP3s as I prefer CDs, but I've never illegally downloaded a single song. I think stealing digital content is the same morally as stealing a physical item with that content on it (i.e. pirate and album you might as well steal the CD). So for me when I buy a device to use digital content, having a big selection and good prices is key. That's why I went with the Kindle. Being in the US the Kindle store had the best selection and prices vs. the other options, and that was important to me since I won't pirate books. So iTunes can still be a draw to a device--at least for decent human beings who don't just steal all their content. |
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Out of $1 per song, 30% goes to Apple, 65% goes in the pockets of record companies and less than 5% goes in the pocket of the artists. That is absolutely NOT fair business! With an online based content service like itunes, there should be NO intermediaries, the artists should get the absolute bulk of industry revenues. What itunes does is enforce the old outdated scheme of intermediaries robbing artists and consumers of their money. Only recently apple got forced to un-drm their contents (to try avoiding anti-trust lawsuits), and there is an extra fee to purchase non-DRM on itunes last I checked, which probably means most people still buy DRMed versions on itunes. Quote:
Decent human beings don't force people to use their proprietary hardware/software/content lock-ins, they don't make more than $3000 in revenues from a product that costs $150 to mass manufacture in China (the iphone), they don't take 95% of itunes/kindle revenues to intermediaries instead of giving 100% to authors/artists as digital distribution is supposed to. Last edited by Charbax; 02-12-2010 at 01:16 PM. |
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Meh, you're just a hater and ranting. On to the ignore list with you.
I'm no apple lover, never owned any of their products, but you're makign a lot of assumptions there, and just typical internet anti-apple rage, and making lame excuses to to try to justify piracy. All companies are out to make as much money as possible. It's the whole point corporations. Apple is hardly alone there. I buy content I enjoy and devices that work well for me to enjoy on. As long as I think the price is fair for what I get out of it, I don't give a crap where the money goes, how much the artist/author gets. If they didn't like it they shouldn't have signed the contract with the label or publisher and got better terms elsewhere or self distributed. |
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plain and simple: don't like apple's products, then don't buy them. move on. the only thing you show us here is that you like to rant without facts to back up your opinions. |
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