12-01-2010, 05:04 AM | #1 | |
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Project Gutenberg in public domain row
http://ereads.com/2010/11/project-gu...ors-claim.html
Interesting statement. If I'm reading it correctly - the issue is that PG is being somewhat ... overzealous ... in consigning works to the public domain when they are still under copyright. Bear and his wife (also the daughter of Poul Anderson), make some good points in the statement. I would imagine it's a simple case of (as I said) over-zealousness on PG's part and they'll probably remove the offending works. Raises some intriguing questions about differing copyright laws throughout the world and how that's going to work out in this case. FTA - Quote:
1. Copyrighted works by still-alive SF authors start showing up on PG 2. The story referenced above |
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12-01-2010, 06:21 AM | #2 | |
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Here's their response: http://cand.pglaf.org/bear-response.txt This particular case few general implications. PG will just have to be a little more careful in checking for registrations of copyright in future. Oh - and PG dO NOT consign works to the public domain. Works are either in the public domain or are not in the public domain. It's just that working out into which category some works fit is harder than is ideal. |
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12-01-2010, 09:04 AM | #3 | |
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September: The Bears contact PG requesting the Anderson stories be taken down October: PG responds (pdurrant's link) saying they are taking down The Escape (because copyright was renewed under a different title) and that they are checking with their lawyers about the other Anderson stories but that they're pretty sure they're on solid legal ground to keep them up. November: The Bears respond with the press statement quoted at ereads.com (thrawn_aj's main link) saying that they are unhappy that PG haven't changed their official guidelines yet like they promised they would and urging people who believe they hold the copyright on other PG works to send DMCA takedown notices to PG, manybooks etc. As for my opinion on the matter: Aarrghh. Current history has proved that copyright arguments have nothing to do with what's fair or right, and are purely about figuring out what the current law actually means. Nice people get screwed and evil selfish people hoard and steal on both sides of the author/distributor divide. Figuring out which category the Bears and PG fit into in this case is completly pointless. All that matters is what's legal this week. And the only people who will figure that out is the lawyers |
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12-01-2010, 09:29 AM | #4 |
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Just how long should a copyright last?
I see two time frames - forever or death of author. Justifying anything in between is quite arbitrary and makes no sense. Personally, I lean toward forever. |
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Long enough to be an incentive to the author to continue creating.
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12-01-2010, 09:54 AM | #6 | |
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Copyright length should be long enough to encourage people to create, and no longer. Most works should have about the same length of copyright from creation. Copyright should last at least the lifetime of the author. Whether a work is in copyright should be easy to determine. Combining these four, mixing in human lifespan and the age at which creative people start creating worth-while works, I'd suggest that 50 years or the life of the author, whichever is longer, would be a good length. With this rule, most works would be in copyright for 50 years — ample time to get paid for the work. Some early works by long-lived authors would be in copyright for a bit longer, but not many and not by much. By having (lengthy fixed term) or (life of author), whichever is longer, the variation in the length of copyright of any work is minimal. Unfortunately, the Berne convention established the "lifetime + fixed term" rule, and it seems very unlikely that any international agreement will be reached to change this. |
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12-01-2010, 09:58 AM | #7 |
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But how would you figure out who the heirs were in 150 years? Trying to get anything republished would be a total nightmare.
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12-01-2010, 10:08 AM | #8 | |
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Please don't let's get sidetracked into yet another pointless discussion about copyright length. It's been discussed a thousand times before, and never achieves anything. Please start a new thread if you want to talk about that, rather than "hijacking" this one.
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12-01-2010, 10:28 AM | #14 | |
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I am the owner of real estate. I will it absolutely to my child. Child become owner outright. Child wills outright to child, etc. Each is owner. One decides to sell to outsider - fine. Now the rule - I will it to child with strings that it must be passed on and on and on and cannot be sold outside of family - no good - violates rule. |
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12-01-2010, 12:17 PM | #15 | |
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You don't understand the *purpose* of copyright. The purpose of copyright is to encourage creators to contribute to the culture. Same as patents are to encourage inventors to contribute to the public good. They're not to protect commercial rights into perpetuity. Without the public domain, there's no *culture*. Just a hash of commerciality. Which may be fine with you, but that's not the original intent of the idea of copyright. |
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