Amazon Censorship Expands - Page 2

screwballl · 12-30-2010, 04:57 PM

WHO CARES??

Amazon is a private business that has every right to sell or NOT sell anything they want to. This is not the local government funded library, it is a private business that can do things how they want. If they want to allow something, then remove it, then allow it, then remove it, who cares that is their choice. We do not tell you how to live your life, so don't expect to be able tell someone else how to run theirs.

kindlekitten · 12-30-2010, 05:00 PM

if Netflix refused to carry snuff flicks would you be upset?

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:02 PM

As a side note, 3 months ago I was thinking of either getting a Kindle or Sony 650. I choose the Sony because it was lighter, smaller, and could hold memory cards. However, I must have spent ~$600.00 this year buying ebooks etc from amazon. Because of their recent censorship, I won't be buying anything from them again (unless they have a 80% off ebook sale, lol). If I were a Amazon stock holder, I would not be happy about that. Also, in 3 years will Google be Amazons biggest ebook competitor?

Nyssa · 12-30-2010, 05:02 PM

I have mixed feelings on this one. I agree that Amazon does have a right to choose what it will sell and what it will not, however, the rules must be in place before hand, if that is what will be used to "drop" a client. I also agree with the person who posted that the book should have been rejected in the first place, if Amazon knew there was a chance it would cause an issue. (how could they not know.)

As to the author of the book - What were you thinking!?! You really couldn't have come up with a better, less offensive title for the book? I, personally, would stay away from any book (regardless of genre) with the word "rape" in the title.

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

if Netflix refused to carry snuff flicks would you be upset?

If I had stock in Netflix, and they made money selling snuff, and they stopped and their competitors Google etc where making money selling snuff, and Netflix started losing market share, then yes I would be upset.

kindlekitten · 12-30-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eppythacher

If I had stock in Netflix, and they made money selling snuff, and they stopped and their competitors Google etc where making money selling snuff, and Netflix started losing market share, then yes I would be upset.

and your moral compass lies exactly where?

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyssa

I have mixed feelings on this one. I agree that Amazon does have a right to choose what it will sell and what it will not, however, the rules must be in place before hand, if that is what will be used to "drop" a client. I also agree with the person who posted that the book should have been rejected in the first place, if Amazon knew there was a chance it would cause an issue. (how could they not know.)

As to the author of the book - What were you thinking!?! You really couldn't have come up with a better, less offensive title for the book? I, personally, would stay away from any book (regardless of genre) with the word "rape" in the title.

The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II
http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-F.../dp/0140277447
Hope Amazon does not ban it lol. I'm sure the book is offensive to the Japanese government.

mr ploppy · 12-30-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Nothing in Amazon's content guidelines indicates that titles, or titles of some genres, can't contain the word "rape." A quick search turns up several other books with rape in the title, including "The High School Rape Club."

If it was really about forbidden words in book titles they could just use a filter that checks for those words when they are first uploaded/published and display an error message.

gollu · 12-30-2010, 05:11 PM

+1 in defense to Amazon's actions. Nowadays it's not that hard to sell a book on your own pitty website so what censorship are we talking about?
I am sure those interested in a gay porn ebooks will be able to find them in a non-amazon environment. Amazon is not the world library to host any piece of s*^t ever written.

mr ploppy · 12-30-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

if Netflix refused to carry snuff flicks would you be upset?

It would be more like them refusing to carry Brokeback Mountain. But the thing about the moral minority is, they are never satisfied. They just continue chipping away until there is nothing left.

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

and your moral compass lies exactly where?

In the US in 2006 there where 435,000 tobacco related deaths and 85,000 Alcohol related deaths. We can buy Alcohol and tobacco stocks, and those companies have at duty to their shareholders to sell tobacco and alcohol. Amazon has a duty to their shareholders to sell books. They are not a private company, they are PUBLIC. You have a point though, selling snuff would be amoral, but so is selling tobacco and maybe alcohol.

Nyssa · 12-30-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eppythacher

The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II
http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-F.../dp/0140277447
Hope Amazon does not ban it lol. I'm sure the book is offensive to the Japanese government.

Just to be clear, I'm anti-banning.

This still proves my other point, however, as I have no interest in checking out a book with this title - I equate it with pain and despair (among a few other awful & depressing images). So it would be a "no" for me.

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by screwballl

WHO CARES??

Amazon is a private business that has every right to sell or NOT sell anything they want to. This is not the local government funded library, it is a private business that can do things how they want. If they want to allow something, then remove it, then allow it, then remove it, who cares that is their choice. We do not tell you how to live your life, so don't expect to be able tell someone else how to run theirs.

Amazon is a Public company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_company

A public company or publicly traded company is a company that offers its securities (stock, bonds, etc.) for sale to the general public, typically through a stock exchange, or through market makers operating in over the counter markets.

DiapDealer · 12-30-2010, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Amazon is a Public company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_company

A public company or publicly traded company is a company that offers its securities (stock, bonds, etc.) for sale to the general public, typically through a stock exchange, or through market makers operating in over the counter markets.

Which still has absolutely no bearing on their right to sell or not sell whatever they choose.

eppythacher · 12-30-2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gollu

+1 in defense to Amazon's actions. Nowadays it's not that hard to sell a book on your own pitty website so what censorship are we talking about?
I am sure those interested in a gay porn ebooks will be able to find them in a non-amazon environment. Amazon is not the world library to host any piece of s*^t ever written.

When people say "They are business, it's not censorship. They can sell whatever they want", I am reminded of the following:

Giosué Orefice: "No Jews or Dogs Allowed." Why do all the shops say, "No Jews Allowed"?
Guido: Oh, that. "Not Allowed" signs are the latest trend! The other day, I was in a shop with my friend the kangaroo, but their sign said, "No Kangaroos Allowed," and I said to my friend, "Well, what can I do? They don't allow kangaroos."
Giosué Orefice: Why doesn't our shop have a "Not Allowed" sign?
Guido: Well, tomorrow, we'll put one up. We won't let in anything we don't like. What don't you like?
Giosué Orefice: Spiders.
Guido: Good. I don't like Visigoths. Tomorrow, we'll get a sign: "No Spiders or Visigoths Allowed."

La vita é bella, Roberto Begnini.

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12-30-2010, 04:57 PM	#16
screwballl NewKindler Posts: 504 Karma: 1865773 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NWFL Device: Kindle3 Wifi	WHO CARES?? Amazon is a private business that has every right to sell or NOT sell anything they want to. This is not the local government funded library, it is a private business that can do things how they want. If they want to allow something, then remove it, then allow it, then remove it, who cares that is their choice. We do not tell you how to live your life, so don't expect to be able tell someone else how to run theirs.

12-30-2010, 05:00 PM	#17
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	if Netflix refused to carry snuff flicks would you be upset?

12-30-2010, 05:02 PM	#18
eppythacher Connoisseur Posts: 76 Karma: 3992 Join Date: Jan 2007 Device: prs-500, prs-650	As a side note, 3 months ago I was thinking of either getting a Kindle or Sony 650. I choose the Sony because it was lighter, smaller, and could hold memory cards. However, I must have spent ~$600.00 this year buying ebooks etc from amazon. Because of their recent censorship, I won't be buying anything from them again (unless they have a 80% off ebook sale, lol). If I were a Amazon stock holder, I would not be happy about that. Also, in 3 years will Google be Amazons biggest ebook competitor?

12-30-2010, 05:02 PM	#19
Nyssa Series Addict Posts: 6,180 Karma: 167189477 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Florida, USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite (2nd Gen)	I have mixed feelings on this one. I agree that Amazon does have a right to choose what it will sell and what it will not, however, the rules must be in place before hand, if that is what will be used to "drop" a client. I also agree with the person who posted that the book should have been rejected in the first place, if Amazon knew there was a chance it would cause an issue. (how could they not know.) As to the author of the book - What were you thinking!?! You really couldn't have come up with a better, less offensive title for the book? I, personally, would stay away from any book (regardless of genre) with the word "rape" in the title.

12-30-2010, 05:11 PM	#24
gollu Unsullied Posts: 249 Karma: 759693 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Israel Device: Kindle 2i	+1 in defense to Amazon's actions. Nowadays it's not that hard to sell a book on your own pitty website so what censorship are we talking about? I am sure those interested in a gay porn ebooks will be able to find them in a non-amazon environment. Amazon is not the world library to host any piece of s*^t ever written.

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