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04-07-2010, 02:17 AM | #16 | |
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Look, law may be used to dis/allow actions, but it cannot change the ethics involved. Derek |
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Bought the book then downloaded the ebook version from the darkenet = OK because it's just format shifting. It's out of print and not available as an ebook and I can't get it second-hand so I downloaded it from the darknet, but would have bought it in any format if it had been available = OK because my intent was not to deprive the author or the publisher, and if I had the opportunity to reimburse them I would. I could buy the print version but not the ebook version. I have no interest in the book but I would buy the ebook if it was available. So I downloded it from the darknet = OK because I wanted to buy the ebook but the publisher wouldn't let me. I've no interest in paying £10 for something, whether it's a book or an ebook, if I can get it for nothing. In fact, if I had to pay for it I wouldn't want it. However, I can get it from the darknet for nothing = OK because I was never going to buy it, in any format, whatever the price - so I'm not depriving the author or the publisher of anything. I guess we all put our own markers down in different places - but how many of those place correspond to "the law"? |
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04-07-2010, 07:59 AM | #18 |
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That's the fun part of Ethics....
I buy the Hardcover, and then I download the ebook from the dark Cost: HC full price. Consequence: author and publisher get paid for one copy. I got two copies The act is illegal in some jurisdiction, and unethical to most people. I buy the Hardcover used in mint condition from ebay, I scan & OCR myself the book. Cost: HC half price, 5 hours of work. Consequence: author and publisher are not paid. I got two copies. The act is legal with few exceptions, and it is considered ethical almost by everyone. I buy the HC used, and don't make a digital copy at all Cost: HC half price Consequence: author and publisher are not paid. The act is legal and ethical everywhere. Let's go one step further: I sell the HC half price. If I keep the digital copy, even if it's buried down somewhere in the middle of an heap of old CD-ROM that will be trashed in a couple of years, I'm doing bad. If I don't keep that copy, nobody will trust me, and everybody thinks I'm keeping it. Unethical in both cases, maybe illegal somewhere (I don't know...) Last step: I haven't got any digital copy at all. The only copy of that book I ever saw, is the Hardcover I bought for 5$ at a garage sell. I read the book, and I sell it for 12$ on ebay. Now, not only I read the book without any form of compensation for the author or the publisher. I'm even making money out of it. And it's legal everywhere, and, I bet, it's ethically fair to almost everybody. That's why I say that when ethics are involved, Digital is Evil. The "unheticality" of an action is definitely unproportioned when it's performed in the digital world. |
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I bought the physical book at some time in the past before I owned an eReader. I want the eBook. I download it the digital copy, and destroy the physical book leaving me one digital copy. The author and publisher have been compensated and one potential used book is taken out of circulation. |
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I resorted to leaving notes on both copies (original vinyl LP ripped to CD) to indicate which was master and that a x type copy exised that was tied to the y original just to keep the RIAA off my back. |
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04-07-2010, 11:33 AM | #23 |
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Exactly. The content industry likes to claim that you are only buying the medium. But it's not up to them, fortunately. The law generally disagrees.
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Really? Have you asked them? Or do you find it unethical and just assume everyone else should too?
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74,3 out 100 of the interviewd find it unethical. It's not an official statistic. It's not a scientifically sampled set. It's not a lab experiment driven by psychologist. And I've never expressed my personal view about it. Now, change the word "most" with the number you like. And tell me what you think about the whole story, if you want. The point is: if you do with digital goods the same things you do with non digital ones, you're doing wrong. Let's stick with the last example only: buy used and resell at a higher price. Do you find it unethical? No? Why? Last edited by Format C:; 04-07-2010 at 11:57 AM. |
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I have a hard time with that. If that were true. Then the US shouldn't exist. India would of never freed itself from Britain. Pakistan wouldn't exist. South Africa would still be run by apartheid. What happened to the Jews is fine. Portugal should still be under a communist government. Israel shouldn't exist. The Iron Curtain (politically) should still exist today.
Um I could go on and on and on and on and on and of course on. Ethics is what the law should be derived from. Law without ethics is unsupportable. The world has shown that over and over. Last edited by Guns4Hire; 04-07-2010 at 01:55 PM. |
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