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Old 09-20-2012, 09:01 AM   #181
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About the dictionaries check this thread:

https://getsatisfaction.com/kobo/top..._in_dictionary

It seems the built-in dictionaries have very limited word set (probably it's the same as the "MW pocket dictionary" which is available for mobile devices and has only 15-20000 words)
Thanks for pointing out that thread. They mostly talk about translation dictionaries though, and I was wondering if kobo has single language dictionaries as well(apart from english-english), and if they're any good (it's usually simpler to find good single-language dicionaries than translation ones).

Like, if you open a french book, mark a word and click "definition", does any definition in french pop up? Has anyone had any good or bad experience with those dictionaries? (admitting they are there)

Could anyone with a kobo touch confirm/deny this?

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Old 09-20-2012, 11:00 AM   #182
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The 2.1.1 firmware has English, German, French, Dutch, and Japanese monolingual dictionaries. The dictionaries are encrypted, so I cannot count the words in them, but the monolinguals have significantly bigger index files than the translational ones, which probably means more words.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:18 AM   #183
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Like, if you open a french book, mark a word and click "definition", does any definition in french pop up? Has anyone had any good or bad experience with those dictionaries? (admitting they are there)

Could anyone with a kobo touch confirm/deny this?
I have a 2.0.0 kobo touch since a couple of days and when i read french books i have access to the french dictionnary (just tap and hold a word and it comes up). Odd thing is that sometimes it sets itself to english and i have to tinker a bit with it.
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The 2.1.1 firmware has English, German, French, Dutch, and Japanese monolingual dictionaries. The dictionaries are encrypted, so I cannot count the words in them, but the monolinguals have significantly bigger index files than the translational ones, which probably means more words.
thanks everyone (and I guess the kobo glo will get the new 2.1.1 firmware from the start)

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Old 09-20-2012, 02:33 PM   #185
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thanks everyone (and I guess the kobo glo will get the new 2.1.1 firmware from the start)
Yes, or newer...
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:46 PM   #186
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About the dictionaries check this thread:

https://getsatisfaction.com/kobo/top..._in_dictionary

It seems the built-in dictionaries have very limited word set (probably it's the same as the "MW pocket dictionary" which is available for mobile devices and has only 15-20000 words)
Thanks for that important link.

I am very, very disappointed though.
It seems the Kobo dictionaries are virtually useless.

Like others in that link of yours I had already decided to buy the Kobo Glo, but this means I will postpone.

Perhaps Sony will release something more up to date in a few months (One can hope).
If Sony releases a reader with the exact same specs as the Kobo, but with the Sony dictionaries I am prepared to pay 50% more for the device.

If Sony releases a next gen aluminum PRS950 mark 2, with 1Ghz processor, highres next gen e-ink screen, with glo light, enhanced software etc. I am prepared to pay at least double of what they ask for a T2.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:51 PM   #187
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The 2.1.1 firmware has English, German, French, Dutch, and Japanese monolingual dictionaries. The dictionaries are encrypted, so I cannot count the words in them, but the monolinguals have significantly bigger index files than the translational ones, which probably means more words.
Man... this is tearing me apart.
Now I get my hopes up again.

We definitely need the Kobo guy from the start of the thread to clear things up about the dictionaries.
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Old 09-20-2012, 07:19 PM   #188
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Man... this is tearing me apart.
Now I get my hopes up again.

We definitely need the Kobo guy from the start of the thread to clear things up about the dictionaries.
Out of curiosity I just checked the list near the start of the GetSatisfaction thread mentioned above. I was using the "enter a word" lookup method, so it didn't like plurals - it didn't like eclipses, but would find eclipse - but all of the words listed are now found in the dictionary. On the plurals, I think it behaves differently when looking up a word you highlight vs a word you type in -- I tried highlight on "riverboats" since that was on the page of the book I'm currently reading and it did bring up definition for riverboat. I just checked it in the manual typed in word lookup method and it finds riverboat but not riverboats (understandable, since if you are entering it they really don't need to be checking if you are using the plural -- it gives you a list of suggested possible words based on letters you've entered so far).
So the current dictionary is likely not as useless as that thread would have you believe. Since the firmware on the Glo will be based off the current (albeit likely a new version thereof) it would be fairly safe to assume the dictionaries in it will be the same/similar/better.
Realize that thread was started 10 months ago and things have changed a lot in that time in regards to the firmware.

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Old 09-20-2012, 07:34 PM   #189
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OK, I checked the html files in the 1.9.17's dictionaries (back then these were not encrypted but gzipped), and counted the words - actually counted the < b > tags.

The English monolingual has 79667 records. (the MW Dictionary and Thesaurus for Kindle claimed to has 73000 entries)
The English-German has only 16304. (the MW English-German Dictionary has 19000)

Probably these are not the exact word counts but close. And the dictionaries could be improved in the 2.x firmware but the file sizes are almost identical, so I guess these dictionaries still the same.

BTW, the most comprehensive Merriam-Webster (the Collegiate) has 165000 entries.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:30 AM   #190
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I am very, very disappointed though.
It seems the Kobo dictionaries are virtually useless.
What kind of words were you hoping to look up?
If you could type out a small (or larger) list of words you've recently needed to look up on your Sony I could check them for you in the Kobo Touch's dictionary... then you could really decide on how useless the Kobo's dictionary is or not...?
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So the current dictionary is likely not as useless as that thread would have you believe. Since the firmware on the Glo will be based off the current (albeit likely a new version thereof) it would be fairly safe to assume the dictionaries in it will be the same/similar/better.
Realize that thread was started 10 months ago and things have changed a lot in that time in regards to the firmware.
That sounds very reasonable and I hope it is true.
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OK, I checked the html files in the 1.9.17's dictionaries (back then these were not encrypted but gzipped), and counted the words - actually counted the < b > tags.

The English monolingual has 79667 records. (the MW Dictionary and Thesaurus for Kindle claimed to has 73000 entries)
The English-German has only 16304. (the MW English-German Dictionary has 19000)

Probably these are not the exact word counts but close. And the dictionaries could be improved in the 2.x firmware but the file sizes are almost identical, so I guess these dictionaries still the same.

BTW, the most comprehensive Merriam-Webster (the Collegiate) has 165000 entries.
Translation dictionaries do tend to be more limited.

And you're wrong, the most comprehensive Merriam-Webster is the Unabridged (it's a happy tongue out, not a mocking raspberry, and I'm only clarifying as I'm new and don't want to make a bad first impression)
I have both the collegiate and the unabridged on my cell (and the collegiate on my bookshelf). In my experience, anything less comprehensive than the Collegiate (be it Webster or Oxford or whatnot) is of little value to me personally as the words that tend to stump me aren't in them.

But I will say this, the Merriam Webster (and Random House Webster) dictionaries tend to have good support for the differences between American and British English (unless they're the pocket editions). This support is very useful in Canada as one never knows when we'll favor one over the other
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Translation dictionaries do tend to be more limited.

And you're wrong, the most comprehensive Merriam-Webster is the Unabridged (it's a happy tongue out, not a mocking raspberry, and I'm only clarifying as I'm new and don't want to make a bad first impression)
I have both the collegiate and the unabridged on my cell (and the collegiate on my bookshelf). In my experience, anything less comprehensive than the Collegiate (be it Webster or Oxford or whatnot) is of little value to me personally as the words that tend to stump me aren't in them.
My brother-in-law is a word freak and loves that his reference library at work carries the Oxford English Dictionary in it's 20 volume glory plus 3 additions volumes. There are words in there that haven't been in common use since Shakespeare was scribbling. The CDROM version of the OED along with the Historical Thesaurus is available via the corporate network for online lookups while at work or using the VPN. A great resource for those authors in love with polysyllabic logorrhea and for those who try to read and enjoy their work.

Personally, I settle for the Canadian Oxford English Dictionary which has a very good grip on the way that Canadian spelling wavers between the UK and the US usages.
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Of course you meant 'favour'?
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Is Caecilia a supported font on the Kobo Glo? This article shows a snapshot of Caecilia selected on the Font Customizer, but the promo video on the Kobo website states 7 font styles and Caecilia isn't listed as one of them. On the Chapters website under Enhanced Reading Experience, it says there are 11 styles.
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