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As for the 65 million, you seem to be obsessing about it when it is not the center of the stories here. It may be an error but that doesn't mean other aspects of the story are incorrect. Just disregard the Nikkei-sourced story if you want and concentrate on the one that the NYTs put out. That is the more reliable story, IMO. --Pat |
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Because the mainstream media outlets certainly did "repeat" ("picked up") the story. Again, I don't want semantical nit-picking to be the issue here. So what exactly did you mean when you said "The fact that a story has been repeated doesn't mean anything other than: it is good gossip." (Emphasis mine.) That's what I was replying to. Quote:
And I'm not sure what you mean by "there is no direct from ..." Are you now saying because there was no direct quote from the sources that the information from the sources is not reliable? That's not how journalism works. It's never worked that way. Quote:
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Below is a hypothetical story from the NYT's. Question for murray, Sil_lis, and any other Apple disciple: If you came across this story, would you pooh-pooh and nitpick it to death as well?
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I would always treat stories from unattributed sources with caution. Who are the "sources" that have claimed that Apple have reduced their screen orders? What supporting evidence is there to back up these claims?
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I think a story like this that has been independently confirmed (by another report with sources) has a substantial amount of credibility. In a case like this, the best way to refute the claims is for Apple to come right out and say the stories are wrong. So, Harry, regarding the hypothetical story, would you also treat that story regarding increased screen orders with caution? Would you tend to disbelieve it? --Pat |
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I clearly stated in my previous post, Pat, that I would always treat stories from unattributed sources with caution. Whether I believed it or not would depend on what evidence was provided to back up the claim. I see no hard evidence in either the original, or your hypothetical, story. There's no documentation to support the claim being made.
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As for hard evidence, what kind would suffice for a story of this nature? When you refer to "documentation" do you mean copies of Apple's original and amended orders? --Pat |
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Something like that would constitute the best form of proof, yes. Without something of that nature, this is really nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumour, and should, I think, be treated with extreme caution.
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Pat, I am not an Apple disciple, I don't own anything made by Apple, and I don't like their business practice.
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As for the 65 million, it is most likely the number of parts ordered for last quarter (since the previous analyst estimate was that Apple sold 61 million iPhone5s in Q4 2012, it seems reasonable). |
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Perhaps a dose of rigamortis would help this thread
QUOTE=Sil_liS;2388074]Pat, I am not an Apple disciple, I don't own anything made by Apple, and I don't like their business practice. But look at what the articles are saying: NYT: CNET: Did you notice how the numbers given by NYT are exactly a third of the numbers given by CNET, and they represent 1 month vs. a quarter (3 months)? The main difference is that according to CNET these numbers are estimates made by DisplaySearch, both the initial one and the current estimated range. Analysts analyze data and give estimates. It might even be illegal for them to get direct evidence on how many parts are being ordered because it might lead to insider trading acusations. As for the 65 million, it is most likely the number of parts ordered for last quarter (since the previous analyst estimate was that Apple sold 61 million iPhone5s in Q4 2012, it seems reasonable).[/QUOTE] |
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Yes, as I had already said earlier in the thread.
A story is either believable or not. Numbers are either reasonable or not. My personal bet would be that there is at least a 25% chance that Apple's 2013Q2 figures are below their 2012Q2, which were exceptionally high. 35-45 million sounds like a reasonable range. 60-65 (the scaled up numbers in your hypothetical story) do not, too me, seem reasonable, for a non-release, non-holiday, quarter. I'd put the chance of their 2013Q2 iPhone sales being over 60 million at less than 5%. Maybe I'm too bearish on iPhone sales, and next week's figures will show something shocking, but that would be my reaction to that story. |
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