06-19-2013, 02:34 AM | #16 |
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Landmark bars are far less useful meeting places these days because development tends to destroy or co-opt whatever dives most preoccupied writers can afford. People are always having to find new places to meet because the old ones either close down or become tourist sites (cf. The Cedar Bar in NYC and its former history of attracting writers and artists, including east coast beats and most of the abstract expressionists).
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06-19-2013, 02:43 AM | #17 |
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I'm pleased to see this thread bubbling along - thank you all for your contributions.
I can't get onto this Forum much of late, but my question was genuine and the subject of 'real' chatter around me for some time over many occasions. (I allocated time last night to respond to this thread - and darn - the maintenance thingo was happening). My perspective is that neither class nor money are influences to the meeting of minds for a chatter, and that these conversations can take place by accident as well as in planned events. I hadn't really considered the large venue events or work organised events as mentioned by several posters .... they seem rather a monologish construct, albeit with questions taken no doubt. But if they are avenues for some to absorb and appreciate new perspectives (irrespective of a dialogue between all of the individuals present) then that's what works for them. @Harry I take your point re the Salons of centuries ago with respect to the idle rich, but I consider that talented people, irrespective of their field are probably never idle for long. So, what I'm gathering so far is that there's a broad dispersal of thinking going on, via different comms media, and reaching audiences who happen to find that media or who have been invited to attend eg workplace (or other) talk by a given person/s. I guess also, that people of a similar talent ilk, eg painting or photography etc tend to hang around together and would be more likely to know (and perhaps attend) functions/activities where the really talented in that genre go to hang out. Like the writers who hung out at Les Deux Maggots, or Gertrude Stein's place in Paris (also known as a Salon, from memory). On another point - I don't think politicians have any claim in the great minds category (not while in politics), but of course, that is a selective judgement. And nor do I think political discourse as a topic of chatter has any more right of place or consumption of quality chat than any other topic. I do think that all topics are on the table for discussion though. Enough from me! |
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06-19-2013, 05:37 AM | #18 |
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There certainly have been politicians who have been "great minds". I don't think many people would deny that Cicero was a great thinker, for example, while also being a politician.
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06-19-2013, 06:45 AM | #20 |
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06-19-2013, 06:58 AM | #21 |
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Also, forums such as this often have a particular focus at their heart, though how closely that agenda is adhered to varies greatly. MR, for example, frequently strays away from the subject of reading on electronic devices. This meeting of like-minded people who have a shared interest and often a shared level of intellect, forms its own little salon.
Likewise with a cat forum I belong to, although the membership is somewhat different to that of MR: predominantly female, very caring, but a little less intellectual; thus creating its own meeting of like-minded people. |
06-19-2013, 09:33 AM | #23 |
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I should seek out a monkey forum with like-minded monkey brains; dessert and otherwise
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06-19-2013, 11:55 AM | #24 |
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06-19-2013, 12:34 PM | #25 |
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I wish there was a tavern within stumbling distance of my home. Used to enjoy decompressing after work. Good chat. Some ideas.
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I've had some great 'salons' after hours at science fiction conventions. I don't always remember what we talked about, but it kept me up until 5AM, so it must have been interesting.
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But some of the bigger people movements have emerged from those clusters of people with big ideas and little to no financial or administrative power. I'm thinking along the lines of the origins of the green movement, and other movements that had a long chat gestation amongst like and unalike thinkers, and little initial money and/or power/influence amongst the movers and shakers. I suppose that my appreciation of a salon or meeting of thinkers and creators doesn't mean that anything constructive need come out of the discourse .... although it may. I see the discourse as a more pleasurable event where ideas are simply flung around (so to speak, lol) according to the events of the day as well as bigger picture ideology. |
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